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To: bronxville

Not disinformation, just trying to give some truth.

2 books are great sources, “Faith Undone” by Roger Oakland and also “While Men Slept” by Dr. Kerby Fannin. While Men Slept is a better book about the origins of ancient manuscripts and how they were used by the Catholic church and also the how and why we have so many ‘modern’ Bible versions at bookstores.


23 posted on 06/25/2009 10:44:07 PM PDT by kingpins10
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To: kingpins10

Not trying to offend anyone, just offering what I have studied. Gotta retire...on the east coast...


24 posted on 06/25/2009 10:52:28 PM PDT by kingpins10
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The books you reference are extremely biased texts that are deceptive and full of propaganda about the Catholic Church.

The Kerby Fannin book, for example, is given this review by a reader on Amazon:

STRONGLY BIASED The title is misleading. A more accurate title would be: "...A Biblical and Historical Attack on Roman Catholicism". How can it be considered "Christian" to implicate as evil the faith of over a billion Christians world-wide? This book must delight our common enemies because for them the thought of a united Christianity might be terrifying. Please know that the references, although extensive, may not all be reliable. Quotes are taken out of context and result in distortion of their original meaning and intent. (i.e., pg. 430, reference 82; go to the internet and please read for yourself.) Common misconceptions regarding papal infallibility and "Mary worship" abound. Ironically, this is a book dedicated to knowing the "truth" and yet it is guilty of the same literary manipulation depicted within its pages.

No wonder you have such a distorted view of history and Scripture, since you are feeding your head with such bigoted trash. You are welcome to raise ANY argument from ANY of those books, and I will be more than happy to show you why is it wrong, or as the case may be, where it gets it right.

For example, you imply that any Bible that can be linked to St. Jerome or Origin is somehow corrupt. In that case, you would have to also reject the King James Version of the bible, which used the Greek NT edited by Erasmus as the principle source of the Textus Receptus that underlies the KJV's NT. So, you might be surprised to learn that Erasmus is connected to Origen and Jerome.

See this article for more information:
Origin, Jerome, Erasmus and the KJV

Based on your logic, I guess you are going to have to dispense with the KJV. Now what Bible will you use?

You also need to consider the implications of what you are saying. If the Latin Vulgate is a corrupt Bible, understand that this was the basis of Christian Scriptural understanding for many centuries before the Reformation. To make such a claim would seriously undermine your Protestant doctrine of Sola Scriptura--so you are really shooting yourself in the foot. Let me explain.

If it's true that the Christian world relied on a false interpretation of the bible, this would mean that for 15 centuries, the Christian people, the "church," were left without a rudder, so to speak, for a very long time. But this goes contrary to the statements and promises that Our Lord made about His Church--particularly, "behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world" (Matt. 28:20)--not to mention that He told His disciples: "I will not leave you orphans." (John 14:18). Yet your very biases view of history suggests that all of Christendom were left adrift like orphans in a storm until the time of the Reformation. Are you calling Christ a liar?
56 posted on 06/26/2009 11:33:36 AM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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