Posted on 06/30/2009 3:49:51 PM PDT by liberty_eagle
But God was chatting with prophets and other special people 3 or 4 times a week back in the old testament days. Why didn’t he simply explain “DNA, cell structure, biology and the like” to them? Or hire a burning bush to do it.
You said: “As far as cellular biology goes, it is just too complex to have happened by accident.”
But it wasn’t simply an accident. It was a great many millions of years of mutations (evolving into something new from a previous form) and the good changes continued while the bad changes died off through natural selection. we’ve advanced a whole lot in just the past few hundred years, so if you extrapolate that over a few hundred milion years it can explain a lot about complex cellular biology. We don’t need a magical guy in the sky making it all in a week.
Except that those wandering shepherds figured it out 4000 years ago - and it wasn't until the 20th century that “science” accepted Pangaea as a single continent, mass condensing from energy, birds evolving from dinosaurs, life being created in the sea and the Big Bang itself.
.... Because the “zero”, logarithms, telescopes, microscopes, and writing weren’t invented yet?
Show me anything in Genesis out of sequence with what is taught in the Big Bang theory.
“I didn’t threaten anything. And Galileo was a creationist.”
The issue was not creationism vs. evolution—the latter had not been developed at the time. With Galileo, the issue was geocentrism—he was persecuted by the church for denying it. It worked.
BTW—it’s not creationism vs. evolution today, either. Evolution doesn’t address origins. Creation and evolution coexist nicely.
Evolution is not compatible with BIBLICAL Creationism. Some theologians conformed the Bible to what Scientists had to say (that week), but they did not reconcile the Bible with Evolution. For instance, Evolution teaches death before man. Creation/Scripture says death came as a result of the fall. Theistic Evolution would have God creating a world where everything died and was diseased and he called it “very good.” Doesn’t work.
Evolution, as a concept, may not have been fully developed during the time of Galileo; however, scientific observation was. Men like Galileo and Newton had absolutely no issues with what they observed in nature being compatible with what Scripture itself had to say.
“Evolution is not compatible with BIBLICAL Creationism.”
The bible is not a science text. I wouldn’t expect it to be compatible. Science and faith are mutually exclusive and coexist peacefully.
The Bible is not a scientific textbook. But where it speaks to science it is correct.
“But where it speaks to science it is correct.”
No, I’m afraid not.
Not getting into a Crevo war with you, but I and many others, including highly credentialed scientists, disagree.
That’s faith, not science. And the authors at AiG, DI, etc. don’t qualify as credentialed scisntists.
That statement alone shows you haven’t studied who is writing at AiG.
Yeah, I have. As this thread is in the religion forum, I really can’t reply without getting “personal”, as you just did (at least by forum rules). If you want to discuss this for real, ping me to another thread not in religion.
But by the time you need to evolve something you are dead. A giraffe for example. When it gets a drink of water it bends down. Because of it’s long neck it has a very strong heart, well when it bends all of that blood rushes to his head and will (if not for something) blow his brain out. Well, what happens is that when he bends, his arteries contract and slow down the blood. There is another problem. If he gets up quickly he will have no blood in his head. Thus he would pass out. So if a lion comes, how does he get away? Well pressure is built up in the arteries so when he gets up the proper amount of blood goes to his head. (Too much will kill him) How does that evolve? By the time the giraffe says “you know I need to do *****” he is dead. Not to mention, those things take a long time right? How do this things survive?
Or like birds came from reptiles. That is all fine. Except for the fact that a reptile/bird heart or bird/reptile heart would die. Those things cannot go together.
And I dunno about you, but I have never heard of a good major mutation.
One more thing I thought about.
Why are there only 6bil people on the planet? Even if we lived in caves and only lived for 35 years, should not the population be much lager if we have been around for millions of years.
Other things, like if we came from apes, why did we lose there strength? Why are there still monkeys, fish, and bacteria? Why did they not all evolve?
“Why are there still monkeys, fish, and bacteria?”
I remain speechless that this is considered a counter argument to evolution. This is why most real Christians are considered simple minded simply by association with the “Christian” YEC fringe.
And why is there retrograde motion in the universe, including throughout our solar system, in light of the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum and the evoutionist story about how our solar system “evolved”?
Oh no you don’t. You challenged whether or not there are credentialed scientists. By saying there aren’t credentialed scientists at AiG you opened yourself up for that critique. I have the right to rebut that claim, particularly in light of the fact that the evolutionary community likes to portray Creationists and Christians in general as a bunch of ignorant bumpkins.
Here are a couple of the regular writers.
Dr. David Menton is a regular contributor to AiG’s writings.- Ph.D. in cell biology from Brown University
-Silver Award for Basic Research from the American Academy of Dermatology- Given ‘Distinguished Service Teaching Award’ from Washington University School of Medicine in 1991, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997- Named ‘Teacher of the Year’ at Washington University School of Medicine in 1979-Elected ‘Professor of the Year’ in 1998 by the Washington University School of Medicine Class of 2000
Dr John Baumgartner
B.S., Texas Tech University, Lubbock, 1968-M.S., Electrical Engineering, Princeton University, Princeton, NJ, 1970-
M.S., Geophysics and Space Physics, University of California, Los Angeles, 1981-Ph.D., Geophysics and Space Physics, University of California, Los Angeles, 1983
His Ph.D. thesis research involved the development of a 3-D spherical-shell finite-element model for the earth’s mantle, a program now known as TERRA.
Upon completing his Ph.D. in geophysics and space physics, he accepted a position as a staff scientist in the Theoretical Division at Los Alamos National Laboratory, where he has continued his research in planetary mantle dynamics, including the potential for catastrophic mantle overturn.
Other credentialed scientists who are also biblical creationists can be found here:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/a_mcintosh.asp
Many of them write for or have been interviewed and published by AiG.
Why can't it be both?
Darwinism makes logical sense, however, how do the "genetic mutations" come about?
“...the evolutionary community likes to portray Creationists and Christians in general as a bunch of ignorant bumpkins.”
Not at all. I certainly wouldn’t say that about Christians as a group, as most understand and accept the coexistence of faith and science. I am one of those. Nor would I say that about creationists, as long as they base their belief on faith and don’t try to prove their faith via science. The authors that you list are worse than ignorant bumpkins, however, if they are supporting YEC—they are deceitful charlatans.
Your points are something that I've been hashing over for a good bit.
If creatures advance themselves via evolution, over a span of generations, then should those creatures that have spanned the most generations should be the most advanced?
Reptiles go back 10's of millions of years, and 10's of millions of generations. Yet, they're roughly the same as they were 100 million years ago.
Or look at things like insects...they reproduce quickly, many generations a year. They've been around - again - for millions of years, so we're talking 10's (10s? maybe 100's) of millions of generations, and yet they've not evolved.
Then, look at man. Man came on the scene relatively late. We've only been around a couple of million years, and few 10's of thousands of generations. We're only a couple of hundred generations from living in caves and whacking things with rocks. And at this moment we're the most advanced lifeforms on the planet, now or ever.
I believe in evolution. It only makes logical sense. But I also believe in intelligent design giving things a "push" here and there.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.