Posted on 07/14/2009 3:11:38 PM PDT by tcg
...There is so much good news which we need to proclaim about the Catholic Church. We need to raise our voices to be heard over the cacophany of dissent. We have the privilege of living in the age of the late Servant of God John Paul II and now receiving the extraordinary tutelage of Benedict the Builder. The “ecclesial movements” are flourishing, a sign of a new missionary age and a seed of springtime. New religious communities are being birthed and old ones are recovering their charisms and missionary impulse. New Catholic Colleges are being founded and older ones are recovering their Catholic identity.
We need a joy filled Catholic witness which does not criticize the Church in public but prays for her, defends her and listens to her leaders with grateful hearts. A dynamically orthodox Catholic movement of all of the faithful - lay, clergy, consecrated and religious - which proclaims in a very public manner “We are Proud to be Catholic”...
(Excerpt) Read more at catholic.org ...
The dissenters will fall away if the Church as a whole takes up the challenge of this article - you can sense the joy and excitement in the writing and that is the sort of Hope we need not the O’ type of hope!
Mel
Oh? Pay, Pray and Obey Romanism to the dulcet strains of the Horst Wessel Lied? This Fournier is a real clown. Whatever will he do when and if there is a reunion with Orthodoxy and we Orthodox start calling your hierarchs on their errors in open church instead of merely on the internet, leave The Church again? You know, the prospect of going after the Fourniers who are infecting the Western Church may actually make reunion worth it!
I'm sure he's sweating bullets over the prospect.
Your name-calling is tiresome and uncharitable, even without the snide Nazi references.
Yeah, what's up with that, K?
“Your name-calling is tiresome and uncharitable, even without the snide Nazi references.”
Tough on the tiresome. As for uncharitable, it is far more charitable for all Catholics, Latin or otherwise, for the likes of Fournier to be scorned for what he is, the promoter of a Pay, Pray and Obey ecclesiastical police state (thus the thoroughly snide, in the sense that I meant to show utter contempt for Fournier and his ilk and yet at the same time state the truth, allusion to Nazism). And C, that Pay, Pray and Obey ecclesiastical police state is not what +BXVI or those of his cardinals and bishops and lower clergy involved in the dialogs, want to portray or far less create, in the process of discussions with Orthodoxy.
Amen to that.
Actually the author has written regularly and supportively of the “two lungs” of the Church breathing together again.He appears to be very hopeful concerning a full communion between Orthodoxy and the Catholic Church which respects the contributions of both East and West. It is really sad to see an Orthodox Christian so uncharitable toward a Catholic as you demonstrate in your comments. Perhaps you should follow the lead of Patriarch Bartholomew and Patriarch Kirill.
“He appears to be very hopeful concerning a full communion between Orthodoxy and the Catholic Church which respects the contributions of both East and West.”
Then perhaps he is more ready for the way Orthodoxy does things, especially in the area of correcting hierarchs and priests, than the posters on this forum.
“It is really sad to see an Orthodox Christian so uncharitable toward a Catholic as you demonstrate in your comments.”
The Faith, whether Eastern or Western, isn’t for Pay, Pray and Obey sissies who grovel at the snap of a hierarch’s fingers. When a hierarch or a member of the lower clergy violate the canons or preach heresy uncovered in the Church, it is the positive obligation of the Laity to speak out against both the preaching and the hierarch involved.
“Perhaps you should follow the lead of Patriarch Bartholomew and Patriarch Kirill.”
When Back Bart of Istanbul has gotten out of line, I can assure you that both I and a substantial number of my fellow Orthodox lay people, in a very “face to face way” have made our displeasure and the potential consequences of that displeasure crystal clear. The last time we did that, a Archbishop lost his crown. We haven’t had any substantial trouble from Istanbul since then. The MP hasn’t been on his throne long enough to get into any serious trouble with the laity.
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