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If you believe in God, should you believe in Santa Claus too?
Christian Post ^ | 7/16/2009 | Randal Rauser

Posted on 07/17/2009 5:37:12 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Pelagius of Asturias

Go back to your top, silly little man.


21 posted on 07/17/2009 6:16:15 PM PDT by scory
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To: scory

Name calling, eh?


22 posted on 07/17/2009 6:17:57 PM PDT by Pelagius of Asturias
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To: SeekAndFind

The heavens declare the glory of God. The Bible declares Who He is.

From nature alone, whether you are looking with the naked eye, a telescope, a microscope, or the naturalist’s notebook, should tell the observer that there is a supreme intellect behind it all. You see design. Rocks can’t turn into people, I don’t care how long you give it to occur.

The Bible tells us that God cares about us, that He wants to communicate with us, that He wants to have a relationship with us, that He wants to redeem us. Furthermore, the Bible proclaims projections about the future. Dozens of those predictions were fulfilled to the letter in the first Advent, the appearance of God in the flesh, the Lord Jesus Christ. Gainsay it if you wish, pooh-pooh it if you wish, pish-tosh it if you wish, harrumph about it with other atheists all you wish; but it happened; and many good people who witnessed it were martyred with the truth of it still on their lips.

Furthermore, the same Bible that reveals Who God is also predicted the scattering and regathering of a people, the Jews, over a period of some 2600-3300 years. And it happened — in a day — you cannot make this stuff up; nor can you say it and bring it to pass. It is unprecedented and it is incontrovertible.

None of this has anything whatsoever to do with unicorns or Santa Claus or spaghetti monsters or anything of the kind.

Do the research with an open mind, and I guarantee — if you are a true seeker, you will find.


23 posted on 07/17/2009 6:19:27 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great... ...until it happens to YOU.)
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To: parsifal
What you should be doing is thinking about faith. That is the basis of Christianity.

But Faith is only as good as the OBJECT of your faith. Yes, faith is the basis of Christianity, but it has to be faith based on good evidence and reason, not just faith alone.

How many people have been led astray simply by exercising faith and not anything else ?

Heck, we have millions of people who are putting their trust in Obama even as we speak.

So, back to the question of Santa Claus and God --- what's the difference between having faith in Santa and having faith in God ? I'm sure you have a good answer to that instead of relying upon simple "feeling".
24 posted on 07/17/2009 6:21:07 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: parsifal
parsifal FTW! Seriously, just because you disagree with a fellow believer's viewpoints on specific issues (like where a watch comes from) doesn't mean their faith in their Creator and Savior is flawed. It also doesn't validate a bad idea. Personally I am confused by the prosperity gospel but I am not going to fight with a Christian who believes it. If C is belief a watch came from Christ, S is belief that a watch came from Santa, J is the power of Jesus, and T is the truth, The hypothetical situation of C ≠ T does not force the situation S = T The given reality that J = T and S ≠ T as well has no bearing on whether or not C = T or C ≠ T. Whether or not C = T is an answer I don't think I can find in the Bible myself and I don't think is worth arguing over.
25 posted on 07/17/2009 6:21:51 PM PDT by ActrFshr
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To: SeekAndFind
Interesting!
26 posted on 07/17/2009 6:23:37 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: SeekAndFind

Are Christian websites being overtaken by conservatives or does it only happen the other way around?


27 posted on 07/17/2009 6:25:26 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: SeekAndFind

When it comes to these things, how can anyone tell if someone really believes something, or they just say they believe?

Is it possible to make yourself truly believe something that is considered by most, to be unbelievable?


28 posted on 07/17/2009 6:26:37 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The bible doesn’t claim that the rational man believes in God. In fact the opposite is true. The rational man lacks the spirit and without the Spirit, that man is blind. In your example, the man with the watch can “see” more than the manager. The manager’s blindness to his true surroundings does not make the existence of God false. It simply means the manager is not equipped to see God’s hand in the world.

1 Corinthians 2:14

The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.


29 posted on 07/17/2009 6:29:27 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Migraine

One truth seeker discovers Vishnu, another finds Jehovah, and a third person believes in Allah, which religion is the true one?

A beautiful sunset is nothing but light shining through atmospheric dust.


30 posted on 07/17/2009 6:30:16 PM PDT by Pelagius of Asturias
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To: stuartcr
When it comes to these things, how can anyone tell if someone really believes something, or they just say they believe?

Gal 5:22

31 posted on 07/17/2009 6:32:25 PM PDT by Gideon7
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To: Pelagius of Asturias
One truth seeker discovers Vishnu, another finds Jehovah, and a third person believes in Allah, which religion is the true one?

I recommend the One I mentioned in my post. None of the others even remotely qualify.

32 posted on 07/17/2009 6:33:40 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great... ...until it happens to YOU.)
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To: gorush
Are Christian websites being overtaken by conservatives or does it only happen the other way around?

This is probably the number one problem with the conservative movement. My Jewish and Black friends are more concerned about the 'Christians' who are in charge of the conservative movement than they are of the Libs.

33 posted on 07/17/2009 6:33:52 PM PDT by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: SeekAndFind

Here’s my problem. A person gets in a serious car wreck. She barely escapes with her life. But she thanks God that she lived and only has a broken back. Excuse me, serious question here. If God was looking out for her why did he let her get in a car wreck at all? It makes no sense.

Oh people might say, God let you be in the wreck so you can learn something from it. Really? Would you let your child get 3rd degree burns all over his body, so he learn something from it? No of course not!!

I don’t think anyone really knows one thing about God or God’s motives. He always seems far less than Godlike and loving than God would really be, if there is a God.


34 posted on 07/17/2009 6:34:22 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Nonsense in the intellect draws evil after it." C.S. Lewis)
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To: SeekAndFind

“But Faith is only as good as the OBJECT of your faith. Yes, faith is the basis of Christianity, but it has to be faith based on good evidence and reason, not just faith alone.”

No it doesn’t have to be based on “good evidence” and “reason.” Paul said it real well when he said what he preached was foolishness to the Greeks. And it was foolish to the Greeks. Some guy gets executed, you think he’s come back to life and if you believe in him you will live forever. Yes, the Greeks of that day were ROTFLTAO.

Yet, Paul and millions of other people believe. Instead of Santa, think of “love.” Could you prove that “love” exists? Would not the easier argument be that sexual love is based on hormones, and that family love is based on a genetic tilt in favor of preserving your gene pool.

And, you will never really know if there is such a thing as “love”, until and unless it happens to you. So, have you ever felt that feeling? If so, and I am assuming you are a male, is there really any evidence that one female is somehow special when compared to all the other females in existence?

Probably not the kind of evidence you are seeking here, for a belief in Jesus, or God. But, in your own heart, you know what you know. If you have been in love, you know it is something different, and it fills you up.

Try to explain it to me with “evidence” and “reason.” You can’t. I can relate only if I have felt love.

And if you have never felt love, and do not distinguish it from some really hot sex, is your mind closed to the possibility that such a thing exists? If it is, you may never find it. If you are open to the possibility, you may.

parsy.


35 posted on 07/17/2009 6:36:56 PM PDT by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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To: Pelagius of Asturias
which religion is the true one?

The one that is unique. There is only one that doesn't require me to be a good person and puts the burden of saving me on God and not on me.

36 posted on 07/17/2009 6:36:59 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: LeGrande
"This is probably the number one problem with the conservative movement."

I'm not talking about a movement, I'm talking about a website.

37 posted on 07/17/2009 6:37:01 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Gideon7

‘But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness’, is that an answer? Doesn’t it require a certain belief in the bible?


38 posted on 07/17/2009 6:37:39 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles

I agree.


39 posted on 07/17/2009 6:41:23 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: SeekAndFind

well here’s my short answer: it is unequally rational - Santa is a cultural icon and God is the object and subject of 3 major religious belief systems(Christianity,Judaism and Islam) with milliions of believers throughout the world.

Personally, i think the posting is immature and your questions somehow weirdly juvenile .


40 posted on 07/17/2009 6:41:44 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Mac Conchradha - "Skeagh mac en chroe"- Skaghvicencrowe)
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