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To: MarkBsnr
Do I have some examples that I can point to? Sorry, anecdotal only. What I personally observed and heard my friends and teachers and other adults discuss. It was in Manila 1958-1960. I was 10-12 during those years, but already liked to discuss the issues, and I remember those discussions pretty well.

I still deny the accusation of Nestorianism. As God the Son pre-existed Mary, she COULD NOT BE His Mother in the sense that she pre-existed Him, as do most mothers.

He was just passing through, so to speak. She bore the body of Jesus, no doubt, but the Person was the pre-existing Son.

Besides, even assuming that you are correct so far, she was not the mother of the Father or the Holy Spirit. So at most she could be only the mother of 1/3 of God.

Which gets us into the doctrine of the Trinity. There is one Godhead, but 3 Persons?? Now this one I can't explain; I can only accept on faith. As, in fact, we must all accept Christ. There is no other way.

I won't argue about praying for the dead. As I believe I said, I also do it sometimes, although I think their eternal fate is sealed. However, just a point, Maccabees is not scripture for Protestants.

80 posted on 07/23/2009 5:52:21 AM PDT by chesley ("Hate" -- You wouldn't understand; it's a leftist thing)
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To: chesley
As God the Son pre-existed Mary, she COULD NOT BE His Mother in the sense that she pre-existed Him, as do most mothers

She WAS His mother, in the sense that she BORE Him, He was borne by her. Is that not true?

She did not pre-exist Him. The Church implicitly says that Mary was a created being, created by God. She did not create or pre-exist Him (she could not have).

He was just passing through, so to speak. She bore the body of Jesus, no doubt, but the Person was the pre-existing Son.

You seem to think that a mother creates a child, NO, God creates the child. The parents are not the creators. in the same way Mary did not create God.

Besides, even assuming that you are correct so far, she was not the mother of the Father or the Holy Spirit. So at most she could be only the mother of 1/3 of God.

Careful -- you're treading on dangerous waters by separating out the Trinity. God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are ONE God, we worship not 3 gods, we do not worship 3 aspects or 3 images, we worship ONE God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

You seem to think that just by calling Mary Theotokos we grant her divinity. That is WRONG. And The Church says Mary is not in any way divine.
84 posted on 07/23/2009 6:12:03 AM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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