Posted on 08/03/2009 3:45:25 PM PDT by wagglebee
The passage says Adam became a living soul when the breath of life was breathed into him...
And "the breath of life" is what?
Fresh air? Oxygen and nitrogen?
Pray a little over this passage. What "life" does God "breathe" into us? What does it mean to be a "living soul"?
Hint: it means a little more than the inhalation of oxygen and the expulsion of carbon dioxide.
Well sure...If you don't want to believe God...If you don't believe God when He says we have a spirit, you could you possibly grasp any spiritual truths from the scripture??? You can't...
you could you=how could you
By the way,
You said “When God say”, you didn’t make a whole lot of sense there. That’s incorrect english. I challenge you to show me where in the Old and New Testament where it says that we rely soley on the scriptures.
And what EXACTLY does the "breath of life" have to do with breathing? Is it oxygen? When does God breathe the breath of life into our nostrils? When a person dies and goes to Heaven they are NO LONGER BREATHING, does the breath of life not exist in Paradise? Please be specific.
Perhaps for extra credit you could compare the "breath of life" to our Lord's discourse on the Bread of Life in John Chapter 6. I for one would love to see you spin those verses, especially after the stand you've taken on the breath of life.
Try to remember that when God breathed into Adam's nostrils, he gave MAN the breath of life. At that moment Adam WAS mankind, God gave ALL MANKIND the breath of life. Adam was formed from dust, Eve was formed from Adam (you will notice that God DID NOT breathe on Eve's face), the REST of us have been CONCEIVED.
Yes, quite right. I don't want to believe God and I'm incapable of grasping spiritual truths. I forgot that I'm a Catholic! What was I thinking?.......*slaps forehead*........
I bow to your infallible, one man, Scripture magisterium.
So you take God's word literally? If only it were true! I guess you assume that us Catholics are not only spiritually illiterate but that we also have no memories. Having seen you frequently poor scorn on the Catholic belief of the Real Presence in the Eucharist, in spite of the clear words of Jesus in Ch. 6 of John's Gospel (......"my flesh is real food"......), I'm inclined to think that you also suffer from the same malady with which you believe Catholicism to be afflicted. It's patently obvious from your own collective Scriptural.......*cough*........."exegeses" offered on this site over a considerable period that your own Biblical insights are every bit as whimsical and arbitrary as those which you ascribe to Catholics. "Believing God" is apparently a problem for you also when it suits.
The thing which fascinates me, however, is the utter conviction and total absence of self-doubt with which you trash 2,000 years of tradition, scholarship and saintly insight. What causes a man to pick up a Bible, read a few passages and instantaneously proclaim Aquinas or Basil or Benedict to be a dunce or a devil? Is it pride? Lack of prudence? Both of the above? Doesn't a sane man pause before placing his own opinion above all of this?
***Do you think that fetuses in the womb are living humans?
For the life of me I can’t figure out how your religion missed it, or refuses to acknowledge a very basic fact***
I was asking about your personal belief in order to try to understand some of your previous comments.
***Do you eat meat? Do you eat vegetation that is or was living (as opposed to fruit which drops away from the main plant)?
Are we playing a game here??? No I’m not a vegetarian...I do however eat far less red meat than I used to...***
You said that you don’t kill things. One must kill things if only by proxy to eat meat or living plants. The Jains practice a very reverent attitude towards life. They wear veils over their mouths to avoid breathing in bugs; they do not tread on insects and only eat fruit or other vegetation that has fallen from the tree or is already dead. They come very close to non hypocrisy when it comes to reverencing all life. Closer than most anyway.
***I bow to your infallible, one man, Scripture magisterium.
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The thing which fascinates me, however, is the utter conviction and total absence of self-doubt with which you trash 2,000 years of tradition, scholarship and saintly insight. What causes a man to pick up a Bible, read a few passages and instantaneously proclaim Aquinas or Basil or Benedict to be a dunce or a devil?***
This is the logical result of Luther’s every milkmaid. Whether the Church of Iscool or the Latter Day Saints, the rationale is the same, only the particulars of the novel theologies differ according to the whims of the milkmaid theologian.
Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
These are just a sampling of the scriptures that deal with body, soul and spirit...Why can't you find that information in the scripture??? Who knows, maybe you don't look...
And why hasn't your religion found that in the scriptures??? You should maybe ask them...
But one thing is clear; you don't have to be a biblical scholar to find it...
And what EXACTLY does the "breath of life" have to do with breathing? Is it oxygen? When does God breathe the breath of life into our nostrils? When a person dies and goes to Heaven they are NO LONGER BREATHING, does the breath of life not exist in Paradise? Please be specific.
Good questions although I'm sure you don't expect an answer...
The breath of life is the spirit of man...It is that which makes your heart beat...And your lungs to function...And when your soul and spirit no longer need your body, they leave it....
Perhaps for extra credit you could compare the "breath of life" to our Lord's discourse on the Bread of Life in John Chapter 6. I for one would love to see you spin those verses, especially after the stand you've taken on the breath of life.
Oh come now...I can show you all kinds of scripture that deal with the body, soul and spirit of man...You can't provide a single verse that gives anyone the authority or ability to turn a little wafer into the flesh of Jesus Christ...Not one...
Nope...I believe Jesus said 'my flesh is real food'...And I believe Jesus said eat my flesh...
But realizing Jesus gave no one the authority or ability to change those little wafers into His flesh, nor yours, I realized there was more to the meaning of those scriptures than meets the eye...
Jesus said 'break' the bread...You guys don't do that...Jesus said drink the wine...You guys don't even do that...
You have not only made a mockery of what Jesus said to do, you added a fairy tale to the mix that gives you the ability and suthority to perform these feats even tho Jesus never spoke about any such thing...
You guys can perpetuate the charade of turning wine into blood even tho it still tastes, feels, looks, acts and walks and talks like wine without any scriptural means to make it so, but at the same time, you reject anything such as a trinitarian man with tons of scriptural support...
Shoot, most Catholics don't believe in your 'real presence'...Why would you expect a non Catholic holding a bible in his hands to believe something like that...
The thing which fascinates me, however, is the utter conviction and total absence of self-doubt with which you trash 2,000 years of tradition, scholarship and saintly insight. What causes a man to pick up a Bible, read a few passages and instantaneously proclaim Aquinas or Basil or Benedict to be a dunce or a devil? Is it pride? Lack of prudence? Both of the above?
Doesn't a sane man pause before placing his own opinion above all of this?
Not for half a second...And I don't believe your pope is a dunce...No doubt he's pretty smart and very educated...
The Hindus have more than 2000 years of tradition...I don't buy into that either...
Scholarship you say??? One of your scholars who had a major influence on your beliefs was Origen...And his big thing was that most of the scriptures were a metaphor...That's what he pushed...And it took hold...
So that's where they left you...You can't read and study scripture out of the sight of your religion...And your religion teaches you that you can't believe literally most of the scriptures BUT you are to believe the many, many add-ons that your religion created which goes against the will of God...And they told you not to believe THAT either...
I give your scholars no more credit than I give the Hindu scholars...
There's a vast difference between a theological scholar and a biblical scholar...
I don't know who the 'Jains' are and I have no interest nor am I willing to waste my time to find out...
I used to be a hunter...I like meat...I know God provided these animals for our pleasure and for food...If I get hungry enough, I will kill an animal to eat it...Fish on the other hand are a different story...I'll kill a fish to eat it even if my freezer is full of meat...
I never really enjoyed trophy or fun killing of animals...I loved the hunt but alway felt a little bad when I would kill a beautiful deer, especially when I didn't need the meat...
And I certainly don't begrudge any Christian who does hunt for the sport...Just a personal thing with me...
A few years back I caught a 6 pound small mouth bass on a fly with a light pole...My fishing buddy suggested having this thing mounted and hung on the wall...He about flipped out when I turned it loose...I don't care to eat bass and I didn't want that fish staring at me every time I walked past it...
It's sad that you will try any angle you can to paint me as a hypocrite, or worse...But, oh well...
Not a theologian...Don't care to be...I am however a bible student...
I do understand where Luther came from tho...When I read some of your catechism and then compare it with scripture, I see they don't both say the same thing...You chose your catechism over the scripture...I and millions of others chose the scripture over your catechism...Simple as that...
You wrote a lot of stuff but NONE OF IT addressed your original assertion that we don’t have souls until we breathe.
I understand that for some, anti-Catholic bigotry trumps everything, but I have NEVER heard others suggest that only Catholics believe that unborn babies have souls.
Hey, you called out the big dogs, eh??? The reinforcements...But anyway, one more time, with feeling...
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
The flesh can't live without the other two, but the other two can live without the flesh...
I understand that for some, anti-Catholic bigotry trumps everything, but I have NEVER heard others suggest that only Catholics believe that unborn babies have souls.
Well that's where you err again...I never said it was a Catholic only belief...So your bigot accusation is meaningless...But the real deal is God's word trumps everything...Even the private interpretation of your religion
You still have yet to answer my prior questions.
WHEN, be specific, does God breathe into OUR nostrils?
Do you not comprehend that in this verse Adam ALL MANKIND?
Do you not comprehend that Adam was created, NOT CONCEIVED?
Of course the flesh cannot live without a soul and the breath of life, but the question is WHEN is this imparted?
Typo: Do you not comprehend that in this verse Adam was ALL MANKIND?
***You said that you don’t kill things. One must kill things if only by proxy to eat meat or living plants. The Jains practice a very reverent attitude towards life. They wear veils over their mouths to avoid breathing in bugs; they do not tread on insects and only eat fruit or other vegetation that has fallen from the tree or is already dead. They come very close to non hypocrisy when it comes to reverencing all life. Closer than most anyway.
I don’t know who the ‘Jains’ are and I have no interest nor am I willing to waste my time to find out...
I used to be a hunter...I like meat...I know God provided these animals for our pleasure and for food...If I get hungry enough, I will kill an animal to eat it...Fish on the other hand are a different story...I’ll kill a fish to eat it even if my freezer is full of meat...***
You said in a previous post that you don’t kill things any more. Now you glory in killing fish and will happily kill animals. Your story changes with every post.
You ought to look into the Jains. I have rarely come across a less hypocritical bunch.
***It’s sad that you will try any angle you can to paint me as a hypocrite, or worse...But, oh well...***
I’m not the one who posts different and often conflicting statements in close juxtaposition.
***This is the logical result of Luther’s every milkmaid. Whether the Church of Iscool or the Latter Day Saints, the rationale is the same, only the particulars of the novel theologies differ according to the whims of the milkmaid theologian.
Not a theologian***
Well, not one that posts accurate interpretation of Scripture.
***I am however a bible student***
Just wondering if you’ve been cutting classes.
***I do understand where Luther came from tho...When I read some of your catechism and then compare it with scripture, I see they don’t both say the same thing...You chose your catechism over the scripture***
Nope. The Catechism and NT Scripture both developed in parallel.
***I and millions of others chose the scripture over your catechism***
I don’t get this statement. You post regularly in opposition to Scripture.
Like I said, any tactic you can devise...Except scripture...
The Catechism of the Catholic Church doesn't say what your own personal interpretation of Scripture says?
What a ginormous, earth-shattering surprise!
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