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To: Rutles4Ever
18 kids after a church wedding and no apparent problems, parish activity, and general happiness over a number of years is a pretty good indication of a good marriage. On what grounds is anyone going to declare this marriage invalid. And if they did - would it be understandable if people concluded “Money talks”. The end of such a marriage requires a divorce not an annulment. Be honest.
59 posted on 08/04/2009 2:24:53 PM PDT by VidMihi ("In fide, unitas; in dubiis, libertas; in omnibus, caritas.")
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To: VidMihi
18 kids after a church wedding and no apparent problems, parish activity, and general happiness over a number of years is a pretty good indication of a good marriage.

Let me use another example to illustrate my point. If a priest does not use the specific words "Take this all of you and eat it; this is my body which will be given up for you" - if he does not use THOSE words, then transubstantiation does not occur. If a priest spent his entire career saying mass and using a different phrase - no matter how the rest of the liturgy and ceremony and sacramental trappings may indicate that transubstantiation had occurred - I've got news for you - in not one instance did transubstantiation actually take place.

In the same way - regardless of children, longevity, public appearances, quality of life or relationship - if the basic requirements of making a free choice to marry with the intent of having children is not met - then an actual marriage never took place.

I would hazard to say you're falling into the same trap that all of the same sex marriage advocates are setting - if it looks like a marriage, and sounds like a marriage, and feels like a marriage - WELL THEN, IT MUST BE A MARRIAGE.

The end of such a marriage requires a divorce not an annulment. Be honest.

You can't have a marriage annuled without breaking the civil union, as well. As I mentioned above, if the marriage isn't valid when the vows are exchanged, it doesn't suddenly become valid later on.

72 posted on 08/05/2009 6:07:57 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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