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Why Catholics Will Not Get Abortion Out of the Health Care Bill
Inside Catholic,cim ^ | 8/03/09 | Deal Hudson

Posted on 08/05/2009 1:52:45 PM PDT by Salvation

 
Why Catholics Will Not Get Abortion Out of the Health Care Bill
by Deal W. Hudson   
8/03/09
 
 
The Congress and the White House have little to fear from the bishops' official statements opposing the abortion provisions in the health care bill. Unlike with President Barack Obama's appearance at Notre Dame, there is no chorus of bishops' voices rising in protest against the bill; most of the Catholics in Congress support it, and mainstream Catholic organizations like Catholic Charities USA and the Catholic Health Association -- which some assume speak for the bishops -- have also voiced their support.
 
The overall impression given by Church leadership thus far is that universal health care coverage is so badly needed that they are not willing to endanger the legislation by protesting too loudly against abortion coverage.
 
The only notable resistance against the abortion provisions has come from a Catholic, Rep. Chris Smith (R-NJ); an Evangelical, Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN); and 20 "blue dog" Democrats, led by Catholic Bart Stupak (D-MI), who signed a letter asking explicitly that abortion coverage be removed from the bill.
 
Two official letters from the USCCB have been sent to members of Congress. Bishop William Murphy, chairman of the USCCB's Committee on Domestic Policy, wrote on July 17 asking Congress to remove abortion coverage. And on July 26, Cardinal Justin Rigali, Chairman of the Committee on Pro-Life Activities, wrote asking them to support an amendment to exclude the abortion mandate from any health care bill.
 
President Obama continues to talk about abortion reduction (as he did with Pope Benedict XVI on his Vatican visit) at the very moment the Senate version of the bill -- which contains abortion coverage -- is being considered in committee.
 
Obama also feigns indifference to abortion coverage as part of federally mandated universal health coverage. When asked directly about abortion and the health care bill in a July 21 interview with Katie Couric, Obama said any decision about abortion coverage would be left to experts, like pro-abortion Health and Human Services secretary Kathleen Sebelius.
 
Yet only a few days earlier, one of Obama's closet advisers assured members of Planned Parenthood that the Obama administration would not buckle to pressure and remove abortion coverage from the health care reform package. Tina Tchen, director of the White House Office of Public Engagement, supported her promise by quoting from a January 22 statement from the president praising Roe v. Wade.
 
Tchen's reference to one of Obama's presidential statements is ironic: Obama complained to Catholic journalists about the pro-lifers who expect "the worst" from him, claiming there was nothing in his record as president that should be cause for such concern. He argued, "It's not based on anything I've said or done, but is rather just a perception, somehow, that we have some hard-line agenda that we're seeking to push." Tchen evidently disagrees.
 
 
Many Catholics are asking why Catholic Charities USA and the Catholic Health Association are backing a health care bill that two USCCB letters have sharply criticized for its abortion coverage. A LifeSiteNews (LSN) interview with the head of another mainstream Catholic organization supporting the present health care bill may answer the question.
 
When told by the LSN interviewer that the health care bill included an abortion mandate, Roger Playwin, the national executive director of the venerable St. Vincent de Paul Society, replied:
 
The bishops' office has advised us that that's not accurate. So I can't speak to it, because all I know is that the bishops' office has said that story is going around, but it's inaccurate. That's all I know.
 
When asked for clarification about where he got that information, Playwin clarified that it did not come from the USCCB but rather from Catholic Charities USA. In other words, Playwin somehow received a message from Catholic Charities USA that abortion coverage was not contained in the House and Senate versions of the bill -- which is simply not true, as the letters from Bishop Murphy and Cardinal Rigali attest.
 
Yet both Catholic Charities USA and the St. Vincent de Paul Society sent out legislative alerts asking for support for health care reform and did not mention the issue of abortion services.
 
So why should either Congress or the White House be afraid of Catholic criticism of the health care bills as they now stand? Yes, the USCCB has made its official statements, but there's no great roar of opposition to the prospect of federally funded abortion services as a part of universal health care.
 
As far as the public's perception is concerned, the "Catholic" imprimatur on health care reform has come from Catholic Charities USA, the Catholic Health Association, and the St. Vincent de Paul Society. (God help us if L'Osservatore Romano weighs in on this!)
 
The good news is the two-month delay in voting on the bill. Richard Doeflinger, associate director of the bishops' Secretariat of Pro-Life Activities, told the National Catholic Register, "Right now, these bills are a moving target.... But we will stay on top of it and continue to educate the public."
 
Whether or not abortion services remain in the health care bill will be a definitive test of the bishops' ability to educate and to put the "fear of God" in the Congress and the White House. It is a test, I fear, they will fail.
 

Deal W. Hudson is
the director of InsideCatholic.com and the author of Onward, Christian Soldiers: The Growing Political Power of Catholics and Evangelicals in the United States (Simon and Schuster).


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: abortion; bhoabortion; bhohealthcare; catholic; catholiclist; obamacare; prolife; socializedmedicine; taxpayerfunding
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1 posted on 08/05/2009 1:52:46 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Salvation

Here’s what I think — these Bishops came out (over 100 of them) against Obortion Obama during the election. (I will post the list below.)

Why aren’t they speaking out against the mandated abortion in this bill?? Let alone the mandated euthansia espoused in this bill.

I feel sick to my stomach right now.


2 posted on 08/05/2009 1:55:02 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation

Notre Dame = football, basketball and abortion. ND can go to h*ll.


3 posted on 08/05/2009 1:55:04 PM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: nickcarraway; Lady In Blue; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; Catholicguy; RobbyS; markomalley; ...
Over 100 Bishops Have Spoken Out on Priority of Life Issues
Posted on October 28, 2008, 11:59 AM | Deal W. Hudson
The list of U. S. bishops who have spoken out on the priority of the life issues in this election is now over 100. The list now contains 70 individual bishops and three joint statements.
I would like to continue updating this list until the day of the election. I have tried to incorporate all the comments thus far. If I dd not get them all, I apologize. (For a few of the suggestions, I could not find a suitable link.)
Please continue using the comments section to let us know what bishop is not on this list who should be. This would include any bishop who has individually, or jointly, published a statement about this election pointing out the primacy of the life issues.
Thank you for your help.
1. Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver
2. Bishop James Conley, auxiliary of Denver
3. Archbishop Donald Wuerl of Washington, D.C.
4. Justin Cardinal Rigali of Philadelphia, chairman of the Committee on Pro-Life Activities
5. Bishop William Lori of Bridgeport, chairman of the Committee on Doctrine
6. Edward Cardinal Egan of New York
7. Bishop Samuel Aquila of Fargo
8. Bishop David Zubik of Pittsburgh
9. Bishop Michael Sheridan of Colorado Springs
10. Archbishop Jose Gomez of San Antonio
11. Bishop Oscar Cantu, auxiliary of San Antonio
12. Bishop William Murphy of Rockville Centre
13. Bishop Edward Slattery of Tulsa
14. Bishop Kevin Farrell of Dallas
15. Bishop Gregory Aymond of Austin
16. Sean Cardinal O'Malley of Boston
17. Bishop Thomas Wenski of Orlando
18. Archbishop John Nienstedt of Saint Paul/Minneapolis
19. Francis Cardinal George of Chicago, President of the USCCB
20. Bishop Robert Vasa of Baker
21. Bishop Jerome Listecki of La Crosse
22. Bishop Richard Lennon of Cleveland
23. Bishop Ralph Nickless of Sioux City
24. Archbishop George Niederauer of San Francisco
25. Bishop Glen Provost of Lake Charles, LA
26. Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio of Brooklyn
27. Bishop Joseph F. Martino of Scranton
28. Archbishop Raymond Burke, Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura
30. Bishop Peter J. Jugis of Charlotte
31. Bishop Michael F. Burbidge of Raleigh
32. Archbishop Joseph Naumann of Kansas City, KS
33. Bishop Robert Finn of Kansas City-St. Joseph, MO
34. Bishop Robert C. Morlino of Madison, WS
35. Bishop Ronald
Gilmore of Dodge City, KS
36. Bishop Paul
Coakley of Salina, KS
37. Bishop Michael
Jackels of Wichita
38. Bishop Gerald M.
Barbarito of Palm Beach
39. Bishop Kevin W.
Vann of Fort Worth
40. Bishop Rene H. Gracida, retired, of Corpus Christi
41. Daniel Cardinal DiNardo of Houston
42. Bishop Paul S. Loverde of Arlington
43. Bishop Francis X. DiLorenzo of Richmond
44. Bishop William Murphy of Rockville Center
45. Bishop Robert McManus of Worcester
46. Bishop Arthur Serratelli of Patterson
47. Bishop Robert Herrmann of St. Louis
48. Archbishop Edwin O'Brien of Baltimore
49. Bishop Thomas J. Olmsted of Phoenix
50. Bishop Thomas D. Doran of Rockford
51. Bishop Joseph A. Galante of Camden
52. Bishop Robert J. Baker of Birmingham
53. Archbishop Alexander J. Brunett of Seattle
54. Bishop J. Peter Sartain of Joliet
55. Bishop John M. Smith of Trenton
56. Bishop Earl Boyea of Lansing
57. Bishop Leonard R. Blair of Toledo
58. Bishop Frances J. Dewane of Venice
59. Bishop W. Frances Malooly of Wilmington
60. Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison
61. Bishop John Yanta , retired, of Amarillo
62. Bishop James V. Johnston of Springfield-Cape Girardeau
63. Archbishop John Vlazny of Portland
64. Bishop Blase J. Cupich of Rapid City
65. Bishop Lawrence Brandt of Greensburg
66. Bishop Dennis M. Schnurr of Cincinatti
67. Bishop Larry Silva of Honolulu
68. Bishop Paul Swain of Sioux Falls
69. Bishop Michael J. Sheehan of Santa Fe
70. Bishop Eusebius Beltran of Oklahoma City
71. Bishop Kevin C. Rhoades of Harrisburg
72-94. Joint Statement by the bishops of New York State (22 bishops)
95-111. Joint Statement by the bishops of Pennsylvania (16 bishops)
112-116. Joint Statement by the bishops of Kansas (4 bishops)
117-126. Joint Statement by the bishops of Florida (9 bishops)
Added by me
 
127. Bishop Tobin -- http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=30333 ^
 
128. Archbishop Wilton Gregory  georgiabulletin.org ...
 
 
130. Archbishop Elden Curtiss Omaha http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2123119/posts?page=1
 
131. Bishop Carlson's of Michigan pastoral letter in full, go to:
http://www.saginaw.org/images/election-statement_carlson_102...

 

Catholic Ping!

4 posted on 08/05/2009 1:57:51 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: All
We all need to contact our bishops and ask them to speak out against the aortion and euthanasia in the Obamacare bill.

Bishops listed by Diocese

Bishops by Name

Bishops listed by state

5 posted on 08/05/2009 1:59:35 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Frantzie; Mrs. Don-o; topher

This isn’t about Notre Dame, this is about Obamacare.


6 posted on 08/05/2009 2:01:26 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation

I feel the devil is hard at work, and we all need to pray long and hard for this country.


7 posted on 08/05/2009 2:01:40 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Frantzie; Mrs. Don-o; topher

This isn’t about Notre Dame, this is about Obamacare.


8 posted on 08/05/2009 2:01:43 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Unam Sanctam
Organizations in that link above

My jaw just hit the floor as I read it.

Here's the links to voice our displeasure at their point of view.

CHA declined any further comment on the matter.

To express concern:

Catholic Charities USA
66 Canal Center Plaza
Suite 600
Alexandria, Virginia 22314
Phone: (703) 549-1390
Fax: (703) 549-1656
info@catholiccharitiesusa.org

Sister Carol Keehan, President and CEO
The Catholic Health Association
1875 Eye Street NW, Suite 1000
Washington, DC 20006-5440
phone: (202) 296-3993
ckeehan@chausa.org

Society of Saint Vincent de Paul
58 Progress Parkway
St. Louis, Missouri 63043-3706
phone: 314-576-3993
fax: 576-6755
usacouncil@svdpusa.org


9 posted on 08/05/2009 2:09:11 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation

Notre Dame showed that many Catholics, at least what I call “Notre Dame” (faux) catholics with a small c, could care less about abortion. They (50+%) love Obama and voted for him.

Notre Dame fawning over Obama allowed Obama to realize he can push abortion and do whatever he wants and catholic universities will give him awards.

If you still don’t understand - Thank Notre Dame for “punking” real Catholics who actually give a sht about stopping baby killing. Notre Dame can go to h*ll.


10 posted on 08/05/2009 2:09:19 PM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: Salvation
What do you think?
I think I'm confused. (no offense meant)

I downloaded a pdf copy of HR 3200 and searched with Adobe's excellent search function for any reference to 'Abortion', or 'Choice'. And not a single 'hit' came back in any of the 1017 pages to those words.

Now I've seen scores of article like this that keep saying Abortion is in the bill, but they never say where in the Bill it is. For other 'hot button' issues like for the Elderly a section is referenced, but never in articles about abortion.

So like I say, I think I'm confused.

11 posted on 08/05/2009 2:09:58 PM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Condor51

Do another search.

It’s called ‘family planning’ in the bill.

What cowards they are to not even use the word abortion or Freedom of Choice.

It’s there — trust me.

Go to “Stop the Abortion Mandate.com (I think) to register your name on a petition.


12 posted on 08/05/2009 2:13:42 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation

They don’t come out against this because the extermination of millions of unborn humans is less important than a promise of “health care” to millions of humans who managed to survive to be born. Abortion kills humans who are rarely if ever seen and never heard. So it is much easier to ignore those people than it is those against whom the “right” to abortion has not been exercised and who are able (and inclined) to complain about their lot in life.


13 posted on 08/05/2009 2:15:29 PM PDT by scory
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To: Frantzie

I understand what you are saying about Notre Dame. We all railed against it here on FR.

This one is about Obamacare. And if we don’t voice our views to the bishops, then we all need to contact our senators and representative to voice our views.

Those elected officials aren’t there to do what THEY want, but what WE, their consituents want.


14 posted on 08/05/2009 2:16:01 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation
It’s called ‘family planning’ in the bill.
ah-ha! I'll search again, thanks.
15 posted on 08/05/2009 2:16:02 PM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Condor51

page 425 if I remember correctly.


16 posted on 08/05/2009 2:17:42 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: wagglebee; narses; cpforlife.org; Coleus; Mrs. Don-o
Please ping your lists.


17 posted on 08/05/2009 2:20:11 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation
Why aren’t they speaking out against the mandated abortion in this bill?? Let alone the mandated euthansia espoused in this bill."

What does the bill contain on these two issues? Any source to read?

18 posted on 08/05/2009 2:20:11 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Salvation

It is about funding the murder of babies in ObamaCare (plus killing granny).

Thanks to Notre Dame’s efforts - Obama will think he owns Catholics. Catholics or any opposition from GOOD Catholics has been marginalized by Notre Dame and the stupid & liberal AMERICAN catholic church. I am sure the Pope did not approve of Notre Dame giving awards to someone who supports about and the worst forms of abortion.


19 posted on 08/05/2009 2:21:16 PM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: ex-snook

I’ve received several downloads in emails. Let me see if I can find a link.


20 posted on 08/05/2009 2:22:12 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation
The overall impression given by Church leadership thus far is that universal health care coverage is so badly needed that they are not willing to endanger the legislation by protesting too loudly against abortion coverage.

What BS!

I could see "some" idiot doctors saying this, but this people?

It's all about getting abortion FREE!

21 posted on 08/05/2009 2:24:52 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Many lge corp. successes started with a sm bus., an entrepreneur & a dream. 0 is killing that dream)
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To: Salvation
page 425 if I remember correctly.
Okay, I'll start around there is my 'search' doesn't get a hit.

For some reason my version is 1017 pages, another often quoted is 1018 pages - but its the same bill, no changes. So a page number cited could be off by one.

22 posted on 08/05/2009 2:25:52 PM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: Condor51; ex-snook

1,017 pages was the housebill.

Here is a search link from yahoo

Both the senate and house versions are there.

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGkxNO.XlKp1kA3xKl87UF?p=healthcare+bill&fr=sfp&fr2=&iscqry=


23 posted on 08/05/2009 2:31:05 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Frantzie

You are so right about Obama thinking he owns Catholics.

He may own the CINOS, but he doesn’t own the REAL Catholics, nor orthodox evangelicals or Protestants like yourself.

Now is the time for us to stick together.

Thanks for your input.


24 posted on 08/05/2009 2:32:36 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation

Thank you for this list. I’m going to be out of town for a couple of days, but when I get back I’m going to go to work on the bishops. Clerical bafflegab....Too typical.


25 posted on 08/05/2009 2:33:34 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to serve as a horrible warning."-Gilda Radner)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I’m thinking they searched for abortion, euthanasia in the bill and those words are not used.

Instead

family planning = abortion

end of life counseling = euthanasia

Plus, I want my docotr’s opinion, not the government’s opinion about my health. Hope you are doing well.


26 posted on 08/05/2009 2:36:17 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation

Sorry for venting. I will always loathe Notre Dame for what they did. I also despise Kennedy/Obama catholics. The morons who voted for him could care less about babies including babies murdered after they were born.

Now O wants to kill granny and grandpa. I hope the fake catholics who voted for this evil man spend eternity in purgatory.

I guess I need to work on that “forgiveness” thing. ;-)


27 posted on 08/05/2009 2:36:56 PM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: Salvation

Page 770 Section 1714 of the House bill: Goverment mandates State family planning services
Page 769 Nurse Home Visit Services - “to increase birth intervals between pregnancies”


28 posted on 08/05/2009 2:39:11 PM PDT by Semperfiwife (Health "care" - by the same folks who run Amtrak and the post office)
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To: Condor51; Salvation
It's all about the amendments. Click on this link:

"The Capps provision goes on to require taxpayer subsidies to flow to plans that include abortion, and mandate that every U.S. region have at least one abortion-covering private insurance plan."

So that's it: quite direct and explicit.

A closely related (but not identical) issue is that tax monies flow to organizations like Planned Parenthood whose funds are fungible.

This is an illustration of how it works.

--- in other words, the $350 million they got last year in tax funding wasn't designated to be "for abortion," ---BUT--- it just so happens that PP is the nation's #1 abortion provider, the big-box store of abortion, and funds pumped into PP for staff salaries, the building and maintenance of facilities, etc. etc. frees up hundreds of millions in the budget to be used for abortions.

It's just a question of moving the numbers from one column to another.

29 posted on 08/05/2009 2:50:29 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("He who is not angry when there is a just cause for anger, sins." St. Augustine.)
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To: Salvation

About a hundred bishops really think that abortion on demand is an absolute horror, but the majority are luke warm. The pope gave them cover by greeting Obama warmly and giving him a book to read!


30 posted on 08/05/2009 3:05:29 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: Salvation

The Catholic Medical Association has also expressed their displeasure with the bill. I am not familiar with the difference between them and the Catholic Health Association, maybe someone can advise me.


31 posted on 08/05/2009 3:07:15 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Salvation

Here is a link to the Catholic Medical Association’s statement.

http://www.cathmed.org/issues_resources/publications/press_releases/statement_on_health_care_reform/

Just a quick glance at CHA’s site leads me to believe they are Catholic as defined by Catholic Charities, the LCWR and other liberal Catholic organizations. I won’t see they are in rebellion against the magesterium but I do believe they are more likely to push for the use of government (read taxpayer) money to achieve their goals.


32 posted on 08/05/2009 3:13:39 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Salvation

/mark


33 posted on 08/05/2009 3:24:13 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace
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To: Salvation
The majority of Bishops in this country care more about social justice and staying on Obama’s side than they do the sanctity of life. The Pope can issue all the papers he wants but if he doesn't direct his clergy in this country to start singing out of the same book the Catholic Church in this country will be little more than a social service organization. I'm sickened by it all.
34 posted on 08/05/2009 3:28:34 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: Salvation

A key falacy in the whole health care discussion is that there are NOT 47 million Americans that can’t get health care.Sally Pipes wrote”THE tOP 10 Myths of American Health Care”,which is quoted in David Limbaugh’s column.Sally says 18million of the uninsured make over $50,00- per year.As many as 14million of the uninsured are NOW eligible for Medicare, Medicaid and theSCHIP programs.Sally concludes that there are about 8 million chronically uninsured.Not the kind of number that justifies taxpayer support of ABORTION and EUTHANASIA.


35 posted on 08/05/2009 3:31:57 PM PDT by ardara
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To: Salvation

By the way it now becomes clearer why Catholic Charities supports a health care bill that includes Abortion and EUTHANASIA.The Catholic News Service just announced today that Catholic Charities Landed a $100million Contract with the Federal Government.


36 posted on 08/05/2009 3:56:25 PM PDT by ardara
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To: Salvation

Obama and crew don’t care about God. Why would they care about His Church??


37 posted on 08/05/2009 4:36:05 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.aroodawakening.tv)
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To: Frantzie; Unam Sanctam; Condor51; ex-snook; Mrs. Don-o; Semperfiwife; lastchance; ...
Download from Oregon Right to Life:

HR 3200 - Expanding Abortion and Paying for it with Your Tax Dollars 

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Since the creation of HR 3200, President Obama’s health care plan, pro-life organizations have said HR 3200 will allow for a massive expansion in taxpayer funded abortions. This is now a documented reality.  Last week, an amendment from Congresswoman Lois Capps (D-CA) was adopted. It clearly allows elective abortion coverage to be part of the “public option plan”. The amendment also allows federally subsidized private plans to provide elective abortion coverage. Since the federal funds for this bill do not pass through the appropriations covered by the Hyde amendment or other bans on direct federal funding of abortion, the bans do not apply. Therefore, under HR 3200 federal dollars can be – and will be – appropriated to fund abortions. 

To quote the Associated Press, “A law called the Hyde amendment applies the [federal funding] restrictions to Medicaid, forcing states that cover abortion for low-income women to do so with their own money. Separate laws apply the restrictions to the federal employee health plan and military and other programs. But the health overhaul would create a stream of federal funding not covered by the restrictions.”

Doug Johnson with National Right to Life Committee says that this amendment will result in taxpayer funding of elective abortions. "It's a bookkeeping scheme” said Johnson, “The [private] plan pays for abortion, and the government subsidizes the plan."

In a written statement, Congressman Joe Pitts (R-Pa.) said, "The amendment would still allow for taxpayer funding to pay for plans that cover abortion. This is a fig leaf, designed to lure votes from Members who want cover on the issue. The American people will not be fooled. We want an explicit exclusion in the bill to prevent any taxpayer funding from paying for abortions. Anything else is wrong, and contrary to overwhelming popular opinion.”

Read More:

-Gov’t Insurance Would Allow Coverage for Abortion

-Does House Healthcare Bill Fund Abortion?

-Waxman Strong-arms Vote to Allow Abortion Coverage in Public Plan

 

HR 3200 - It Depends on One's Definition of "End of Life Care"  st1\:*{behavior:url(#ieooui) }

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Section 1233 of HR 3200 is the brainchild of Oregon’s own Earl Blumenauer. It establishes “Advance Care Planning Consultations” for Medicare patients. Contrary to some reports, these consultations are not currently mandatory, but they still merit caution. These Advance Care Planning Consultations can take place at least every five years and are between a patient and practitioner. The goal of the consultation is to establish advance care planning on, “advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses…palliative care and hospice.” The practitioner is also directed to provide, “a list of nation and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning…”

The inclusion of “State-specific resources” is especially concerning in Oregon where assisted suicide is legal and currently treated as palliative care by the Oregon Health Plan.

Section 1233 also establishes training on, “the goals and use of orders for life sustaining treatments” to all health care workers.

To quote Wesley J. Smith, Senior Fellow in Human Rights and Bioethics at the Discovery Institute, associate director of the International Task Force on Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide, and a special consultant for the Center for Bioethics and Culture,

End of life counseling could easily be subtly or overtly outcome directed, as studies have shown often happens with genetic counseling of pregnant women testing positive for a Down fetus. Thus, there is much about which to be concerned when Medicare pays practioners to engage in counseling about end of life, and indeed, authorizes part of the counseling to consist of referrals to outside organizations that might have ideological agendas (such as Compassion and Choices [formally known as the Hemlock Society]). That is why, if the counseling provision remains in the bill, I believe protections against such abuse should be added.  

 


38 posted on 08/05/2009 4:47:02 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation
Since the creation of HR 3200, President Obama’s health care plan, pro-life organizations have said HR 3200 will allow for a massive expansion in taxpayer funded abortions.

May Almighty God strike every pro-choice man and woman barren as a desert for this.

No conceptions, no abortions.

They mock Our God at their peril.

39 posted on 08/05/2009 4:56:53 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.aroodawakening.tv)
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To: ardara

Catholic Charities got a grant from the government?

For what?

I know they helped a lot down in Louisianna with Katrina. Is it for diaster relief?

Inquiring minds want to know. Hahaha!


40 posted on 08/05/2009 5:05:52 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: pray4liberty

And looked what happened to Miriam and Aaron when they only mocked Moses — sibling rivalry? It was yesterday’s first reading for daily Mass.


41 posted on 08/05/2009 5:08:08 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation
I already wrote to the Society of St. Vincent de Paul and got a note with a link to the USCCB’s statement about universal healthcare.

The USCCB is headed by my own bishop, Bishop William Murphy of Rockville Centre.

The USCCB’s statement insists that we pass healthcare reform, and while it does mention that any reform “must respect all life from conception to natural death,” IMO, it is a document rife with naivete.

There is NO WAY universal healthcare will not include provisions for contraception, abortion on demand, and euthanasia. NO WAY.

Additionally, the document does not acknowledge for one moment the unconstitutionality of any such plan; to the contrary, it seems to claim that there is a “natural right” to universal healthcare. The claim is based on “charity.”

Of course, true charity is not given at the point of a gun...it can ONLY be given freely. Anything else is theivery, not charity.

Anyway, the Society seems to be taking its cue from this document. I imagine Catholic Charities and the Catholic Health Association will do the same.

Regards,

PS: I wrote back that, given their response...I will have to keep looking to find a Catholic charity to which I can send my donations, because the SSVdP won't be getting any more of them.

42 posted on 08/05/2009 5:09:22 PM PDT by VermiciousKnid (Grab your gun and bring in the cat.)
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To: Salvation

Leprosy is too good for Obama and Congress.


43 posted on 08/05/2009 5:20:22 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.aroodawakening.tv)
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To: All; Salvation

Part of my email from Father Pavone, Priests for Life:

“Make no mistake. The “health care reform” bills being finalized in Congress will set off a chain reaction that will result in a massive expansion of abortion!

That’s because unless Congress explicitly states that abortion is excluded, it will be regarded as “an essential benefit” for Americans. Once that’s done, insurance companies would be forced to cover elective abortions which would in turn force local health networks to recruit and hire abortionists.

And to make matters even worse, because these would be federal mandates ...

... state laws that now restrict abortion will probably be overturned!
As I said, this is FOCA in disguise!”


44 posted on 08/05/2009 5:29:38 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Salvation

Although Abp Dolan spoke out on his way out of town to take up his NY post, I think that it is shameful that our 2 remaining Milwaukee Bishops — Sklba and Callahan have not said a peep.


45 posted on 08/05/2009 6:04:19 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: ardara

Great point with the numbers. Thanks!


46 posted on 08/05/2009 10:45:40 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: VermiciousKnid

Thaht is so sad. I was absolutely dumbfounded to St. The St. Vincent dePaul society on that list.


47 posted on 08/05/2009 10:47:39 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Sun

Thanks, Sun. I need to get on his email list. Link on his page, Priests for Life, I suppose?


48 posted on 08/05/2009 10:48:42 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Salvation

What’s the matter with the bishops who have not publically stated their support for life? Isn’t it their duty to inform and persuade their flock that abortion is the killing of an innocent soul?


49 posted on 08/05/2009 11:02:26 PM PDT by elizabethgrace
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To: Salvation

Yup, you can sign up for his emails at Priests for Life.


50 posted on 08/06/2009 1:23:13 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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