Turkish Government Denies Request for Church in Tarsus

American Catholic ^ | 8/5/09

[wtc911]

ok

[ZULU]

O.K.

Sorry

[spyone]

EU to Turkey. F.O.

[Cronos]

The balkans fell to us when we took Byzantium.

sigh... you, most likely have a lot of the blood of the people of Byzantium with a little Turkic nomad blood. Most "turks" in Turkey are mainly of Greek, Anatolian, Armenian origin with some intermingling from the steppes. You are heirs to the hittites, Persians, Lydians, Phyrgians, Armenians, Georgians, Medes, Byzantines etc.

Just like the "English" are mostly of Celtic blood with some Anglo-Saxon (not much differing from Welsh or Scots genetically), they consider themselves Germanics.

[RobbyS]

Until the 1920s, the area was still largely “Greek” and Christians. Then there was a swap of populations with the Muslims and Christians—mainly of the same blood, switching places on the two sides of the Aegean.

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[a_Turk]

We consider ourselved Turks. Similar to how Americans consider themselves Americans. We won’t split our land along ethnic lines, we are aware of and admire our ethnic diversity - 43 ethnicities consider themselves Turks. Being a Turk transcends those ethnicities, as all are intermingled. Very similar to being an American.

This again is true with the central asian Turks, which are a mix of ethnicities. Ethnic diversity is second nature to us and we view it as an advantage.

Ertugrul Beg led 600 cavalry archers into the Sogut area in NW Anatolia and dominated the place almost a thousand years ago. I also have that blood in me and it feels good. Far as I am concerned I am one of those cavalry archers, strong and proud.

[Cronos]

We consider ourselved Turks. Similar to how Americans consider themselves Americans. We won’t split our land along ethnic lines, we are aware of and admire our ethnic diversity - 43 ethnicities consider themselves Turks. Being a Turk transcends those ethnicities, as all are intermingled. Very similar to being an American.

interesting. I always see the Turkification as akin to, say, Arabization, where Berbers were made to forget their Berber heritage and call themselves "Arab".

Ertugrul Beg led 600 cavalry archers into the Sogut area in NW Anatolia and dominated the place almost a thousand years ago. I also have that blood in me and it feels good. Far as I am concerned I am one of those cavalry archers, strong and proud.

True, but it's good to see that you don't deny that you do have a lot of Greek, Armenian, Lydian, Hittite, Persian, Byzantine, Galatian (Celtic) etc. blood too.

[a_Turk]

Why would I deny it. Our strength is based on our diversity. Some may attempt to exploit diversity as a weakness but it won’t happen.

>> I always see ...

Don’t. Intermarriage produces the diversity that defines us. But each region preserves its culture in the form of music, dance, and dress. Look into it, you’ll find it interesting. It’s like what happens to immigrants to the USA. After some time their language fades, but their food, dance and music persist. It isn’t an Americanization by force, but rather by consequence of intermingling.

[eleni121]

The only NON mongol blood turks have in them is the blood of their victims and the blood of the thousands of Christian girls and women they have raped—forced Turkification.

They are a really bunch of inhuman beasts....

[Cronos]

Mongols aren’t Turks. The people of present-day turkey: SOME would be the descendents ofrapes, yes, but don’t forget that millions were converted (by force or by choice — better mobility etc.) — the fact is that many people of Greek, Phrygian, lydian, Armenian, Georgian etc. origin took on the garb of Turks andmuslims for polital expediency and THEIR descendents are now in the majority in Turkey — as they always were.