Posted on 08/10/2009 8:49:37 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
IF one actually reads the words Moses penned there are multitudes upon multitudes of the children of the House of Israel who do not even know who they are.
And that was to be their punishment because of their idolatry that got themselves shipped off ‘unto’ the Assyrian king.
The Heavenly Father says that allllllll souls belong to Him and there is NO way any one flesh being can claim ownership of the WORDS of the Heavenly Father.
Chr*stianity, as you well know.
The Bible is the Jews' book, and no way do chr*stian theologians know what they're talking about when they interpret it. They can't. They just don't know it.
There are no "lost tribes," and certainly no "chr*stian Israel."
How do you know what you posted is what Isaiah actually said??? How do you know Isaiah even existed???
LOL!
But what if some pesky Jew who could read and understand the Tora translated it for the 'Christian'???
Naturally then, only Jews who were raised up on Jewish language could then understand Hebrew...Take your case for example...
If you saw the Hebrew word for apple, you couldn't possibly know it meant apple unless someone set an apple there and pointed between the apple and the Hebrew word, or, someone told you in English that the Hebrew word means apple...And of course there is no accurate translation from Hebrew to English so that translation couldn't accurately be conveyed...
Same with the word in Hebrew that means in English, 'come here'...Unless you grew up with that word, learning as a child thru repetition, you couldn't possibly know that the Hebrew word means 'come here' in English unless someone told you so...And again, the lack of an accurate translation into English...
But anyway, thanks for clarifiying your position of this issue...
I take it then you reject the idea of salvation by the free gift of God's grace given to all, including the Gentiles in spite of God's promises to His chosen people as taught in the NT...
And that's ok...I'm not condemning anyone for that...But I'd rather know I'm forgive for all my sins BEFORE I face judgement rather than having to account for my sins when I get there...
I'm not Jewish. I learned Biblical Hebrew as an older student at a chr*stian college over twenty years ago. It's the only foreign language I have ever been able to learn.
Anyway, you're missing the point. The Bible wasn't given to non-Jews at all. We are permitted to study it, but we aren't required to. All we need to know are the basic facts about the love of G-d and the Seven Noachide Laws. And we are technically forbidden to "delve" deeply into those parts of Torah Law that are for Jews only to observe. You simply can't grasp these ideas. For you the Bible is the common property of all humanity. It's not.
I take it then you reject the idea of salvation by the free gift of God's grace given to all, including the Gentiles in spite of God's promises to His chosen people as taught in the NT...
You mean the so-called promises of G-d in the "new testament," which I reject just as I do the so-called promises of G-d in the book of mormon. Neither one is valid. Both are the books of false religions.
And that's ok...I'm not condemning anyone for that...But I'd rather know I'm forgive for all my sins BEFORE I face judgement rather than having to account for my sins when I get there...
The problem there is that chr*stians didn't have "all their sins forgiven" until Martin Luther came up with the idea. For fifteen hundred years chr*stians lived their lives not knowing where they were going to wind up just like everyone else. If you know any chr*stian history at all you'd no that. And if I were going to be a chr*stian it wouldn't be a fake version that never existed until four hundred years ago.
But you don't understand that the point of life isn't "trying to get to Heaven" but obeying G-d's commandments here in this world in order to sanctify it.
I don't really see any need in us continuing to argue over this. We simply don't have enough common ground.
Sorry this claim just will not fit with what the WORD says. The 'Bible' came from the Heavenly Father to US not from flesh beings to the Heavenly Father. Christ was right there in that 'Garden of Eden', 'In the Beginning' and it was penned in the Hebrew language by Moses as given to Moses long long after the event.
Were there two people called Moses? The Torah foretells of Christianity as Christ was described as being right there in the Garden along with that other symbolic tree called the 'knowledge of good and evil'. Moses was NOT upon this earth in the flesh when the Garden Party in the 'fig' grove took place, nor was he a first hand witness to the 'who, what, when, where and why' there was a flood to cleanse this earth of those who left their habitation and took the daughters of 'the' Adam to wife. Noah and his family were the only ones left with their pedigree still intact to provide that very well traced linage to the birth of Christ. Oh and it is in the Hebrew, no matter what flesh beings claim to the contrary.
There are no "lost tribes," and certainly no "chr*stian Israel."
The Hebrew language says otherwise. You really think the Heavenly Father will keep HIS truth hidden? How about that Song of Moses which the 'saints' will be singing? How closely did the translators get that translated???... We got two 'rocks' noted in that song.
It's exactly what the WORD says. The Torah was given to Israel on Mt. Sinai, not to the human race in general.
The 'Bible' came from the Heavenly Father to US not from flesh beings to the Heavenly Father.
Exactly. And the Heavenly Father dictated it to Moses letter for letter, including the sizes, shapes, crowns, spaces, etc. None of these come through in any translation. How in the world you interpret the article or my posts as saying that the Bible was given by "flesh beings to the Heavenly Father" is absolutely beyond me. Oh, and why you see a "human element" in a scribe who copies G-d's letters verbatim but don't see one in a mechanical printing press that spits out translations of the surface sense only (and nothing else) is beyond me.
Christ was right there in that 'Garden of Eden', 'In the Beginning'
This is what the "new testament" says. The Hebrew Bible says no such thing.
and it was penned in the Hebrew language by Moses as given to Moses long long after the event.
So you're a liberal, huh? Into the "documentary hypothesis," are we?
Let's get one thing straight: this is what the "new testament" claims. I don't dispute this at all. If you will admit that you get this from the "new testament" then you and I have no quarrel. But it is not in the Hebrew Bible. Chr*stians impose their "new testament" assumptions into the Hebrew Bible the same way that mormons impose their "book of mormon" beliefs onto the "new testament."
Moses was NOT upon this earth in the flesh when the Garden Party in the 'fig' grove took place, nor was he a first hand witness to the 'who, what, when, where and why' there was a flood to cleanse this earth of those who left their habitation and took the daughters of 'the' Adam to wife.
I'm sorry, but you aren't making a lick of sense. Moses wasn't there, but G-d was, and G-d, not Moses, is the author of the Torah. The Torah was written before the universe was ever created. It was written by G-d in the spiritual realms on a scroll of "white fire" with letters of "black fire." G-d wrote it. Do you understand? Is that difficult to grasp? All Moses did was take down G-d's dictation, letter by letter by letter. You are a liberal, aren't you?
Noah and his family were the only ones left with their pedigree still intact to provide that very well traced linage to the birth of Christ.
Again, this is "new testament" teaching, not the teaching of the Hebrew Bible. Admit this and we'll be fine.
Oh and it is in the Hebrew, no matter what flesh beings claim to the contrary.
::Sigh:: You aren't making one bit of sense. You attack the "flesh beings" who hand-write Torah Scrolls so that they will be exactly the same as that written by Moses at G-d's dictation, and you defend a translation spit out of a mechanical printing press. It's the "flesh beings" who keep the Bible going, not your printing press. And if it weren't for the "flesh beings" who for three thousand years have hand-copied the Torah your printing press wouldn't have a translation to spit out.
Your assumptions are simply preventing you from thinking straight.
You cannot secularize the Hebrew.
You cannot secularize the Hebrew.
J*sus isn't in the Hebrew at all. He's in the Greek (the "new testament"). Why won't you simply admit this? I know you read him into Genesis because the "new testament" tells you to, if you didn't already believe the "new testament" you wouldn't see him there at all.
And why are you posing as the champion of the Hebrew? You're the one attacking the Hebrew text and the Scribes who have faithfully preserved it for three thousand years and insisting on the sufficiency of a translation spat out by a mechanical printing press.
You've not made one bit of sense since starting this conversation.
You want the Hebrew? Here it is. Of course you have to have the fonts downloaded to your computer. Remember Scribes like the one in the article who have preserved this faithfully so you can read G-d's very letters today.
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