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To: Alex Murphy

From A.D. 70 to 1948, God simply punished Israel, scattered the Jews among the nations, and the nations not wanting them, let them know they weren’t wanted. When God said enough is enough, he planted them back into their own land.

Now, God promised them their own land. He warned them that they would lose it if they kept doing the things that upset him, but promised them that he would plant them back into their land from among the nations and protect them. Just as the sun shines in the sky and the moon gives her light, the nation of Israel will remain where she’s at until the Lord comes. When Christ first came, he came to save us from our sins by offering Himself as a sacrifice. When he comes again, he will come in authority and have a political Kingdom for which he will rule the nations.

Micah 4:7
Isaiah 24:23
Psalm 2:9, mentioned again in Revelation 2:27 to fulfill prophecy.


16 posted on 08/16/2009 2:09:45 PM PDT by Making_Sense [Rob W. Case]
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To: Making_Sense [Rob W. Case]; Lee N. Field; raynearhood; topcat54
Now, God promised them their own land. He warned them that they would lose it if they kept doing the things that upset him, but promised them that he would plant them back into their land from among the nations and protect them. Just as the sun shines in the sky and the moon gives her light, the nation of Israel will remain where she’s at until the Lord comes.

So taking your interpretation at it's word, I have three questions:

1) What did Israel do just prior to 70AD that was so bad that God would scatter them for nearly two millennia....

2) What did Israel start doing differently just prior to 1948AD, that God should bring them back into the land and promise never to scatter them again?

Consider that 80% of Israel's population is Jewish, two-thirds of those are native-born, and less than 25% consider themselves religious or Orthodox in beliefs. Only 40% of the world's current Jewish population live inside Israel. Roughly the same number of Jews live in the United States, as live in Israel.

3) Why did God choose to leave so many Jews scattered in the world, even after reestablishing their homeland? What was special about the first half a million or so religious Jews (who were among those first "new Israelites" in 1948), that God relocated them to Israel to never lose their homeland - while God left all others to rot outside her borders?

19 posted on 08/16/2009 5:31:11 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("I always longed for repose and quiet" - John Calvin)
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To: Making_Sense [Rob W. Case]; Alex Murphy; Lee N. Field; Seven_0; raynearhood
From A.D. 70 to 1948, God simply punished Israel, scattered the Jews among the nations, and the nations not wanting them, let them know they weren’t wanted. When God said enough is enough, he planted them back into their own land.

That is the contention of the futurists, but there is no evidence such is the case. Modern Israel is not biblical Israel. Even a superficial examination of the facts will demonstrate that. There has been no objective faith and repentance on the part of the people that would cause God to restore Israel as a nation at this time. Futurists are blinded to the conditions of biblical restoration. They want it to be true so they ignore the facts and just believe it to be true.

Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. (Matt. 21:43)
Sadly, that condition still exists. Israel will not be restored until they corporately cry out, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!" (Matt. 23:39) and acknowedge the Messiah of Israel, Jesus Christ.
22 posted on 08/17/2009 8:16:30 AM PDT by topcat54 (Don't believe in a pre-anything rapture? Join "Naysayers for Jesus")
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To: Making_Sense [Rob W. Case]; Alex Murphy
Now, God promised them their own land.

Did He? Is that all He promised?

Again, if you ignore the NT you will come to faulty conclusions such as this.

Jesus made it clear that the “the meek shall inherit the earth” (Matt. 5:5). Jesus was speaking this to His fellow Jewish people. The inheritance of eternal life involved more than just a plot of ground in the Middle East.

And we are told by the apostle Paul regarding Abraham, “For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.” (Rom. 4:13). The promise to Abraham involved more than just a plot of ground in the Middle East. It involved the whole world. The true sons of Abraham are heirs of that promise. They are the meek ones.

By focusing on some human-conceived political state, the futurists miss the boat when it comes to Israel because they fail to discern who is the true Israel of God and what God has promised them.

9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy. (1 Peter 2)

26 posted on 08/17/2009 9:08:10 AM PDT by topcat54 (Don't believe in a pre-anything rapture? Join "Naysayers for Jesus")
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