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To: Making_Sense [Rob W. Case]; Alex Murphy
When you take everything into consideration, ...

You did not answer my questions. How have the promises of God that the descendents would be "a nation forever" and that they would have "everlasting possession" of the land of Canaan been fulfilled in your estimation?

After all, Israel has not been in possession of the land but for a small portion of the time since Abraham. How can you explain God's promise of an "everlasting possession"?

Or do you conveniently need to ignore those passages?

The answer to that question will go a long way to showing how you have misinterpreted the prophecies that you claim are unfolding today with modern Israel.

One of the "Benefits of Knowing Bible Prophecy" is that we can tell when someone comes along and makes false claims about current events. Most of the claims I read about modern secular Israel since 1948 falls into that camp.

You say, "When you take everything into consideration", but you are ignoring all that the NT says about the people of God, the royal priesthood and true holy nation. You ignore that the NT explains who the true children of Abraham are, and it has nothing to do with physical lineage. You are ignoring that the NT identifies physical Jerusalem with the bondswoman Hagar, and that God's true people inhabit the Jerusalem which is above. You are ignoring all the passage I gave to you back in post 27. By focusing strictly on the OT you will always come to the wrong conclusions about God’s Holy People, just as the unbelieving Jews of Jesus’ day did. "Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit." (Matt. 21:43)

46 posted on 08/21/2009 9:48:22 AM PDT by topcat54 (Don't believe in a pre-anything rapture? Join "Naysayers for Jesus")
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To: topcat54

This is going to be really interesting. In reviewing the list you gave me to challenge my position on the matter, I am not only going to answer your questions, but I also have some questions for you.

First, your questions to me.

Your Question:
How have the promises of God that the descendants would be “a nation forever” and that they would have “everlasting possession” of the land of Canaan been fulfilled in your estimation?

The answer to this is embedded within the bigger picture. I believe very strongly that God revealed to the prophets in the past the end result, meaning the “New Jerusalem,” but revealed to them way back then just enough information for them to get by, always having the hope of possessing the land when they were in it, and always having the hope that they will return to it to be inhabited forever when they were driven out of Israel. They do not realize that they were promised the New Jerusalem, and that the Covenant that God made with Abraham was and has always been the New Jerusalem revealed at the end of the book of Revelation. But aside from that, that is the bigger, bigger picture, that is so big that the mind has to be able to take on a lot at one time to even grasp the size and scope of its impact.

As for the Jews, I still stick by what I said about the Jews returning to the land of Israel in 1948 as being a part of prophecy. That was a small step that slides within the direction of the bigger picture. It is perfectly compatible with the bigger picture that is designed to complete the remaining unfulfilled prophecies in the Old Testament. After all, if there are any prophecies left unfulfilled, then that sends a message that God didn’t know all things if he predicted that things would happen that didn’t end up happening due to a change of plans, or a change in covenants.

I truly believe that this explanation provides an answer to the question, “How can you explain God’s promise of an “everlasting possession”?” When Christ returns to set up his Kingdom with the New Jerusalem, His Kingdom will never die. It will always be. But when you look at all things considered it is amazing to note what limited capacities our brains had in trying to collect all this on our own. But in the end, God’s will, will prevail and we will be witnesses to the assembling of the bigger picture.


59 posted on 09/04/2009 9:08:00 PM PDT by Making_Sense [Rob W. Case]
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