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To: Claud; dsc
Hey dsc, where you at??? Talk to me...

As Christ said, the tares grow with the wheat in the Kingdom of Heaven--and no man can tell them apart until the former are brought out to be burned.

Problem is, the tares get baptized right along with the wheat...

I guess what you are saying is that once you get baptized, you automatically turn into wheat...But then we're getting down to the brass tacks...Everyone who can make the claim of being Catholic has been baptized...Therefore, there are no tares mixed in with the Catholic wheat...There could be no tares in your Catholic church...And of course that's not true...AND, you just shot to pieces the scripture you use to show there are tares and wheat in your Catholic church...

You have to really mangle the scripture to come to your conclusion...

I'll continue an another post...

53 posted on 09/17/2009 7:15:19 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
I guess what you are saying is that once you get baptized, you automatically turn into wheat..

No, that's the exact OPPOSITE of what I'm saying. The baptized are the SEEDS, not the wheat: i.e. everyone who is in the Kingdom of Heaven (which is the Church on earth--NOT heaven.) If someone isn't baptized they wouldn't be in the garden at all, capisce?

Now, among the seeds in the garden, some are wheat, and some are tares, and the latter are taken away to be burnt--which includes many, many people *who were baptized*.

There are millions and millions of baptized Catholics who are now and will be in hell. Baptism gets you in the door, but it doesn't guarantee you will make it to the end.

58 posted on 09/17/2009 7:59:29 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Iscool
I guess what you are saying is that once you get baptized, you automatically turn into wheat

No that isn't what I say. You guess wrong. We have excellent examples of Baptized men who become notorious.

What I said was the Church considers all baptized people Christians, and therefore part of the Church. Just because you are a Christian, or part of the Church doesn't mean you are going to Heaven.

This is woefully off topic. Let me bring it back on topic.

Sebilius is a Baptized Catholic, and an advocate of will full murder of innocents. I am sorry she finds it painful that being told she may not participate in the Sacrament that is reserved for Catholics who are United with Christ and his Church.

I assure you, it is far more painful to be murdered and removed from your mothers womb by medical violence.

If it is so painful, she should change repent, publicly announce the fact, and change her actions. I pray she does so and is reunited with the Church.

60 posted on 09/17/2009 8:09:14 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Iscool

“I guess what you are saying is...”

Ah, you’re guessing. That explains a lot.

I really don’t want to talk to you, because a meaningful discussion of the subject requires a far deeper and more sophisticated understanding than you display.

You have acquired a hodge-podge of misunderstandings, some of them slanderous, some merely goofy, and you refuse to be educated. You would have to divest yourself of these errors before you could even begin to comprehend Theology, and you just don’t seem willing to accept either factual proof or reasoned argument.

I mean, the stuff you say in your note about baptism, and its relationship to wheat and tares, is just...well, is it malicious false witness, or just stupid? I literally can’t believe that a sane adult could entertain such notions.

As a matter of fact, I *don’t* believe it. Therefore, I conclude that you are just baiting Catholics.

No thanks.


79 posted on 09/17/2009 9:07:12 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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