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To: piytar

I too would like to know as I have several good friends who are 34th degree masons, are good conservative Christians, and good conservative Republicans. All are veterans of World War II, Korea, and Vietnam (one has five combat tours in Vietnam). These are men I would love to have my children emulate. I do not understand what the problem is, and as I understand it, each bishop is allowed to decide for his diocese.


9 posted on 09/20/2009 10:58:17 AM PDT by Military family member (GO Colts!!)
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To: Military family member
John Salza, a former 32nd degree mason, has discussed this on EWTN. I could not find an audio archive of the program, but here is his book.

http://www.amazon.com/Why-Catholics-Cannot-Be-Masons/dp/0895558815

13 posted on 09/20/2009 11:06:15 AM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: Military family member
"I do not understand what the problem is, and as I understand it, each bishop is allowed to decide for his diocese."

http://www.ewtn.com/library/liturgy/zlitur161.htm

"In order to clarify the issue the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith published a declaration on Nov. 26, 1983, shortly before the present Code of Canon Law came into effect. This declaration, signed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, states:

"It has been asked whether there has been any change in the Church's decision in regard to Masonic associations since the new Code of Canon Law does not mention them expressly, unlike the previous Code.

"This Sacred Congregation is in a position to reply that this circumstance in due to an editorial criterion which was followed also in the case of other associations likewise unmentioned inasmuch as they are contained in wider categories.

"Therefore the Church's negative judgment in regard to Masonic association remains unchanged since their principles have always been considered irreconcilable with the doctrine of the Church and therefore membership in them remains forbidden. The faithful who enroll in Masonic associations are in a state of grave sin and may not receive Holy Communion.

"It is not within the competence of local ecclesiastical authorities to give a judgment on the nature of Masonic associations which would imply a derogation from what has been decided above, and this in line with the Declaration of this Sacred Congregation issued on 17 February 1981 (cf. AAS 73 1981 pp. 240-241; English language edition of L'Osservatore Romano, 9 March 1981).

"In an audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect, the Supreme Pontiff John Paul II approved and ordered the publication of this Declaration which had been decided in an ordinary meeting of this Sacred Congregation."

The congregation's judgment, therefore, was not so much based on whether the Masons as such or any specific group of Masons effectively plot against the Church today. This does not deny that some Masonic groups have historically combated the Church nor that even today, in some countries or at certain levels, the lodge remains at the forefront of those who oppose the Church's freedom of action.

Rather, the Vatican congregation above all stressed the incompatibility of some Masonic principles with those of the Catholic Church.

This incompatibility resides in some aspects of Masonic ritual, but more importantly in elements regarding the question of truth.

In its effort to bring together people of different provenances, Masonry requires that its members adhere to a minimal belief in a supreme architect of the universe and leave aside all other pretensions of truth, even revealed truth.

It is thus basically a relativistic doctrine, and no Catholic, nor indeed any convinced Christian, may ever adhere to a group that would require him, even as a mere intellectual exercise, to renounce the affirmation of such truths as Christ's divinity and the Trinitarian nature of God.

Of course, for many people active in Masonic lodges, the conversations and activities are more social in nature and rarely veer toward the realm of philosophical speculation. A Catholic, however, cannot ignore the fundamental principles behind an organization, no matter how innocuous its activities appear to be."


15 posted on 09/20/2009 11:13:30 AM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: Military family member

34th degree? Thought 33rd was high as you can get.


16 posted on 09/20/2009 11:17:23 AM PDT by Mmogamer (<This space for lease>)
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To: Military family member

There are no “34th degree Masons”. 33 is as high as it goes, unless of course you are dealing with a paranoid, then there are all sorts of higher degree, sinister Masons.


33 posted on 09/20/2009 12:15:17 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Don't fire unless fired upon, but it they mean to have a war, let it begin here." J Parker, 1775)
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To: Military family member

The problem lies in the non members who view the masonic fraternity, as an evil organization. Masons do believe in God our creator. I am catholic and have been in masonry for over 35 years. My priest did not have a problem with me becoming a member.
I also would humbly say, there are only 33 degrees in masonry.
Probably the people who are against the masons, must surely be athiests, mad men or even fools.

Sincerely,
NSNR


56 posted on 09/20/2009 1:53:47 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: Military family member

34?


68 posted on 09/20/2009 5:48:07 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Military family member

At the very minimum Christians are admonished not to let their light “be hid under a bushel basket”...Masonry detracts from that admonishment.


88 posted on 09/21/2009 2:12:18 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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