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To: svcw

I need no one to tell me that Jesus LIVES, and that He is the only way to Salvation.

Religion is my choice or not. No one has the right to tell me what to believe.

Jesus is my Saviour and that’s IT!!


6 posted on 09/20/2009 3:50:02 PM PDT by Monkey Face (I wear a yellow ribbon for ForgotenKnight, my army hero grandson.)
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To: Monkey Face; DelphiUser; novemberslady
I need no one to tell me that Jesus LIVES, and that He is the only way to Salvation.

This is where terms need to be defined, lest Mormons come across sounding "Christian."

When a Mormon talks about "salvation," they usually mean, "Just about everybody is saved. Jesus is the only way to just about everybody being saved." [near universalism -- Mormons teach just about all people will go to one of 3 "degrees of glory"]

IOW, to the Mormon, Jesus dying on the cross gives everybody a chance to be resurrected. But then you need to ask the Mormon, "well, to you, please tell me what's in store for some of those so 'resurrected'?"

In response, you won't usually hear Lds volunteer the following -- that a resurrection unto damnation is also what Jesus talked about (see below)...so much for resurrection = a form of "salvation":

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." (John 5:29)

(Lds: Please note for future reference: damnation is NOT a degree of glory!!!)

9 posted on 09/20/2009 4:22:27 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Monkey Face; DelphiUser; novemberslady
Religion is my choice or not. No one has the right to tell me what to believe.

Well, religion may be your choice -- but not a born-from-above relationship with God the Father:

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:12-13)

#1 Before you can be a genuine son of God, you must first receive his authority (word for "power" in Greek in John 1:12 is exousia -- the authority). Since the Mormon god was always a god wanna-be -- and never had ultimate divine authority (he was always beholden to a higher god)...he has no ultimate authority.

#2 Our being so born from above is never according to "the will of man" -- says John the apostle in John 1:13. So who should we believe -- your "pro-choice" theology or John's saying that it comes down to the will of God?

#3 Notice, too, that John 1:12-13 wreaks havoc with Mormon theology that you were all sons & daughters of Elohim in "the pre-existence." Haven't you ever noticed that underlined word above "become" in John 1:12?

And that word isn't particular to the Bible, either:

...for behold, this day he hath spiritually begotten you; for ye say that your hearts are changed through faith on his name; therefore, ye are born of him and have become his sons and his daughters. (Mosiah 5:7)

And the Lord said unto me: Marvel not that all mankind, yea, men and women, all nations, kindreds, tongues and people, must be born again; yea, born of God, changed from their carnal and fallen state, to a state of righteousness, being redeemed of God, becoming his sons and daughters; And thus they become new creatures; and unless they do this, they can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God. (Mosiah 27:25-26)

So, unlike what your parents may have taught you...
...or your seminary & institute instructors...
...or others...
...Mormons or others "can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God" (Mosiah 27:26) based upon some titled linkage to either some "pre-existence" or simply bearing the Mormon identity.

No, Mosiah 27:25 makes it clear: We have to be changed (past/present tense) from a carnal/fallen state to a current state or righteousness. Are you currently righteous? Are you, as Mosiah said, a new changed creature? -- 'cause if you're not, you "can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God."

11 posted on 09/20/2009 4:42:55 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Monkey Face
Religion is my choice or not. No one has the right to tell me what to believe.

AMEN!

 
 
 
 John 6:27-29
 27.  Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. On him God the Father has placed his seal of approval."
 28.  Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
 29.  Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

111 posted on 09/21/2009 4:14:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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