Posted on 09/21/2009 1:44:23 PM PDT by DaveMSmith
Mercury was the first NASA mission
The universe is a big place and we are not the only inhabited planet
Orthodox Christianity was developed when it was believed earth was the center of the universe.
Fantastic photos of our solar system.
Swedenborg's Writings on the subject:
THE WORLD OR PLANET MERCURY, AND ITS SPIRITS AND INHABITANTS
The whole heaven is in the form of a single human being, who is therefore called the Grand Man. Every detail, both outward and inward, in the human being answers to that Grand Man, that is, to heaven. This is a secret so far unknown in the world, but I have shown the truth of it at great length.# But those who reach heaven from our world are not enough to make up that Grand Man, being relatively few, so there will need to be people from many other worlds. The Lord's providence ensures that as soon as a deficiency in quality or quantity occurs at any point in the correspondence, people are instantly summoned from another world to fill up the numbers, so maintaining the proportion and keeping heaven stable. # Heaven has a correspondence to the Lord, and a human being has in every detail a correspondence to heaven, so that in the Lord's eyes heaven is a man on the grand scale, and may be called the Grand Man (AC 2996, 2998, 3624-49 [original adds 3636-43], 3741-5, 4625). The whole subject of the correspondence of man and all his parts to the Grand Man who is heaven has been described from experience (AC 3021, 3624-49, 3741-50 [3741 in original], 3883-96, 4039-55 [4051 in original], 4218-28, 4318-31, 4403-21, 4523 [4527 in original]-33, 4622-33, 4652-60, 4791-4805, 4931-53, 5050-61, 5171-89, 5377-96, 5552-73, 5711-27, 10030).
10. I have also had disclosed to me from heaven the part played by the spirits from the planet Mercury in forming the Grand Man. It is the memory, but it is the memory of ideas abstracted from earthly and purely material objects. However, having been allowed to talk with them over a period of many weeks, hearing what they are like and how things are with the inhabitants of that world, I should like to relate my actual experiences.
11. Some spirits approached me, and I was told from heaven that they were from the world nearest to the sun, the planet named in our world Mercury. Immediately on arrival they sought out from my memory what I knew. (Spirits are very clever at doing this, being able when they approach a person to see the details stored in his memory.#) So when they looked into various matters, including the cities and places I had visited, I noticed that they were not interested in churches, palaces, houses or streets, but only in the events I knew had taken place in them, together with such matters as their administration, the character and customs of their inhabitants, and so forth. For such matters are closely bound up with places in a person's memory, so that when the places are recalled, these facts are presented too. I was surprised at this behaviour, so I asked why they dismissed the splendid locations and only looked into the things and events associated with them. They said that they took no pleasure in looking at material, bodily or earthly objects, but only facts. This proved that the spirits from that world answer to the memory of abstract ideas, not material or earthly ones. # Spirits have access to the whole of a person's memory, but nothing passes from their memory into the person's (AC 2488, 5863, 6192-3, 6198-9, 6214). Angels have access to the affections and purposes which initiate and direct what a person thinks, wishes and does (AC 1317, 1645, 5854 [5844 in original]).
12. I was told that the inhabitants of that world behaved in the same way. That is to say, they take no interest in earthly or bodily matters, but in the constitutions, laws and governments of peoples. They are also interested in heavenly matters, which are innumerable. I was also told that many of the people of that world converse with spirits, so that they know about spiritual matters and the conditions of life after death, which makes them disdain bodily and earthly matters. For anyone who knows for sure and is convinced he will live after death is concerned about heavenly matters, since they are an everlasting source of happiness, but not about worldly matters, except so far as the necessities of life demand it. This being the nature of the inhabitants, it is also that of the spirits who come from there.# # The spirits of each world are in the vicinity of their world, because they come from its inhabitants and share their character. It is also so that they can be of service to them (AC 9968).
13. The following experience proved to me how anxious they are to seek out and absorb knowledge of the kind to be found in the levels of the memory above bodily sense-perceptions. When they were looking into my knowledge of heavenly matters, they ran through everything and kept saying: 'That's the sort of thing, that's it.' For when spirits approach a person, they review everything in his memory, calling up from it whatever suits them. In fact, as I have often observed, they read its contents as if it were a book.# These spirits used to do this more skillfully and faster, because they skipped the things that slow down and narrow the inward sight, so as to delay it. All earthly and bodily matters are in this class, if they are regarded as ends in themselves, if, that is, they alone are loved. They concentrate on real objects. For objects free from earthly encumbrance allow the mind to rise and expand widely; but purely material objects draw it downwards, restricting and closing it.
Another experience which plainly showed their anxiety to acquire knowledge and enrich their memory was this. I was once writing something about future events, and they were then too far off to look into these by drawing them out of my memory. They were very cross because I was unwilling to read those things in their presence, and contrary to their usual habit they wanted to abuse me, calling me very wicked, and similar names. So as to show their annoyance they brought on a kind of painful contraction of the right side of my head as far as the ear. But such efforts did me no harm. Since, however, they had done wrong, they kept withdrawing even farther, but still kept stopping, because they wanted to know what I had written. That is how anxious they are for knowledge. # The spirits present with a person have control over everything in his memory (AC 5853, 5857, 5859-60).
14. The spirits of Mercury surpass others in the amount of knowledge they possess, both about matters within the solar system and in the starry sky beyond it. What they have once learned they retain, and recall whenever similar facts are observed. This is another clear proof that spirits have a memory, one in fact much more perfect than human beings have. They retain what they see, hear or otherwise grasp, especially if they get pleasure from it, as these spirits do from knowledge. Things that give pleasure and are loved flow in as if of their own accord and are retained. Other things do not penetrate the memory, but only make superficial contact and slip away.
15. When the spirits of Mercury visit other communities, they investigate the extent of their knowledge, and having done so depart. There exists among spirits, especially among angels, a means of communication which ensures that, if they are in a community where they are accepted and loved, everything they know is shared.# # In the heavens all kinds of goodness are shared, since heavenly love shares everything of its own with others; this is the source of their wisdom and happiness (AC 549-50, 1390-1, 1399, 10130, 10723).
16. The spirits of Mercury are more than usually proud of their knowledge. So they were told that, even though they knew countless facts, there is still an infinite number they do not know; and even if they went on increasing their knowledge for ever, they could still not achieve an acquaintance with all general principles. As for being proud and puffed up, they were told this was not proper. But they replied, by way of excusing their faults, that it was not pride, but merely boasting about the excellence of their memory.
17. They dislike speaking aloud because it is a physical process. So, when there were no spirits to act as intermediaries, I was only able to talk with them by a kind of thought activation. Their memory, being of ideas, not of purely material pictures, presents these more directly to their thinking. For thinking above the pictorial level needs abstract ideas as its object. For all this the spirits of Mercury are not particularly distinguished for their powers of judgment. They take no pleasure in matters requiring judgment or in inferences from known facts. It is the bare facts that give them pleasure.
18. They were asked whether they did not want to make some use of their knowledge, since it is not enough to take pleasure in knowledge, but this must serve a purpose, which is its end in view. Knowledge alone would not serve any purpose for them, but would for others, if they were willing to share their knowledge with them. They were told that anyone who wants to be considered wise ought never to stop at acquiring knowledge, since these are merely auxiliary causes intended to assist the discovery of matters that will affect behaviour. But they replied that they take pleasure in acquiring knowledge, and that is for them is its purpose.
19. Some of them do not want to be seen as human beings like the spirits from other worlds, but as crystal globes. The reason why they want to be seen thus, although they do not succeed, is that in the next life knowledge of non-material matters is represented by crystals. Earths in the Universe (Chadwick) n. 20 20. The spirits of Mercury are totally different from the spirits of our world, since these are not so much interested in ideas as in worldly, bodily and earthly matters, which are material objects. For this reason the spirits of Mercury are unable to associate with the spirits of our world, and wherever they meet them, they run away. The spiritual spheres which emanate from either party are more or less antagonistic. The spirits of Mercury claim that they do not wish to look at the wrapping, but the ideas stripped of their wrappings, that is, what is inside.
21. A fairly bright flame was to be seen burning cheerfully; it lasted for some time. The flame signalled the arrival of spirits from Mercury whose perception, thought and speech were quicker than that of the previous ones. Immediately on arrival they ran through the contents of my memory, but they were too quick for me to grasp what it was they were observing. I heard them saying repeatedly: 'That's the sort of thing.' When they came to what I had seen in the heavens and in the world of spirits, they said they had known this before. I became aware of a large number of spirits associated with them, who were behind me, a little to the left on a level with the back of the head.
22. On another occasion I saw a large number of spirits of this kind, but at some distance from myself, in front and a little to the right. From there they talked with me, but using spirits as intermediaries, for their speech is as rapid as thought and can only be translated into human language by using other spirits as intermediaries. What surprised me was that their speech gave an impression of a rolling wave,* but was still so ready and quick. Since there were many of them speaking at once their speech reached me in waves. A remarkable feature was that it slipped towards my left eye, though they were standing to my right. This was because the left eye corresponds to knowledge of abstract ideas, matters, that is, which are in the province of intelligence; the right eye corresponds to matters which are in the province of wisdom.# They displayed the same quickness in grasping what they had heard and in taking decisions as they did in speaking. They kept saying: 'Yes, that's right; no, that isn't,' making virtually instantaneous judgments.
[* The precise meaning of this word is not clear, but a parallel passage in SE 3233 adds: 'there was as it were a roll of them talking at once'.-TR.]
# The eye corresponds to the intellect, since the intellect is the faculty of inner sight and concerned with non-material objects (AC 2701, 4410, 4526, 9051, 10569). The sight of the left eye corresponds to truths, that is, matters of intelligence, the sight of the right eye to the kinds of good belonging to truth, that is, matters of wisdom (AC 4410).
[...] This what I have been allowed to learn about the spirits and inhabitants of the world of Mercury.
“This practice was possible since the Last Judgment in Heaven in 1757 which Swedenborg witnessed.”
Correction: Swedenborg CLAIMED to witness. Bad joojoo can do that.
Mark 4:21-34
21 Also He said to them, “Is a lamp brought to be put under a basket or under a bed? Is it not to be set on a lampstand? 22 For there is nothing hidden which will not be revealed, nor has anything been kept secret but that it should come to light. 23 If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.” 24 Then He said to them, “Take heed what you hear. With the same measure you use, it will be measured to you; and to you who hear, more will be given. 25 For whoever has, to him more will be given; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.”
The only good thing to come out of Sweden
was the Swedish Bikini Team - not Swedenborg...
Please Dave, for your own sake and your soul,
flee from this necromancer.
ampu
Can you qualify what bad joojoo means?
Lust for the flesh will prevent communion with the Lord, in my experience. Swedenborg was single all his life.
The lurkers will note the completely absurd ramblings of Swedenborg. The Apostle Paul warned believers of future 'borgs -
1 Tim 4:1* ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2Co 11:14* And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Leaving A Cult, Alcoholism, Depression and Finding Jesus - David Weaver’s Story (Left the Cult of Swedenborg - read on)
Hello, my name is David Weaver. I am 38 years old. My wife’s name is Debbie and I have three children: Rachael, Melissa, and Joshua. I am a Born Again, Spirit filled Christian who is in Love with Jesus, who saved me and dramatically changed my life 18 years ago.
I want to take this time to tell you about myself and give my testimony of what Jesus has done for me. I was born and raised in Bryn Athyn Pennsylvania. My wife Debbie also grew up there. Bryn Athyn is the headquarters for Swedenborgianism.
Swedenborgianism is a religion based on the writings of Emanuel Swedenborg who lived in the 1700’s. He claims to be the messenger of God and says that the second coming of Jesus Christ occurred through his books. To find out more about Swedenborgianism and how it differs substantially from the Bible, check out the X-Swedenborg Files. Plus Cults and the occult.
I was born and raised in this religion. When I was about 12, my father walked out of our lives, never to be seen again, leaving my mother with five of us kids to raise by herself. I dropped out of high school in my senior year. By the time I reached 20, I was already a alcoholic living on 18-20 beers a day. My life so far had been one of fear, depression, confusion and anger. I tried to escape through drugs and alcohol but to no avail. My family didn’t know what to do with me and even suggested that I commit myself to an mental institution. By May of 1980, I had pretty much hit rock bottom. I was so depressed and I felt so all alone. Drunk and depressed I really felt like my life was about over and that the only way to end the misery was through death.
Click here to read the rest: http://www.carm.org/christianity/testimonies/leaving-cult-alcoholism-depression-and-finding-jesus-david-weavers-story
Swedenborg published 30 volumes of the Revelation of Jesus Chist to establish his New Church on earth. This was the beginning of the end of the old Christian Age. The New Church was built and is now ready for all who are moved by the Holy Spirit to search deeper. Everything I offer is free on the web. We're not selling anything, just giving away the truth.
Can you cite something from the post that is absurd in your eyes and I will explain it?
So you are admitting Paul was a prophet? What if he was a false one? (We do not consider the epistles cannon -- they were chosen by the Catholic Church).
Everyone is entitled to thir own opinion. I've been a member of the New Church for 40 years. I've throughly studied and medditated on Swedenborgs Writings and have applied them to my life experience and wisdom and conclude that they are the Word of God.Am I not entitled to express my beliefs here without the attempt to censor?
Yes, doctrines of devils as 'borg himself practiced necromancy and seances. Look at the OT - key word search 'familiar spirit' and you'll see that he ignored God's clear condemnation of those practices. As an abomination, any revelations are due to even closer examination - and they fail, just like the laughable discussions with the spirits on mercury.
We're not selling anything, just giving away the truth.
Truth - not really, but occultic mind sciences and doctrines supported of demons. Even if given out for free, snake oil is snake oil. The bible is clear on the subject, such 'enlightenment' sourced from demonic. Even 'borg himself admitted such
When spirits begin to speak with a man, he ought to beware that he believes nothing whatever from them; for they say almost anything. Things are fabricated by them, and they lie.... They would tell so many lies and indeed with solemn affirmation that a man would be astonished.... If a man listens and believes they press on, and deceive, and seduce in [many] ways.... Let men beware therefore [and not believe them].(Samuel M. Warren, A Compendium of the Theological Writings of Emanuel Swedenborg)
So you are admitting Paul was a prophet? What if he was a false one? (We do not consider the epistles cannon -- they were chosen by the Catholic Church).
Yes, I already knew that you 'reject' the writings of the Apostle Paul (as well as the epistles). Your problem is that your assertion that they were chosen by the Catholic Church doesn't bear up to history and closer examination. Paul's writings were recognized as inspired (and prophetic for that matter) before the end of the first century. 'borg doesn't like him because at every turn the Apostle Paul refutes every one of his 'revealed' truths.
Well, Judas is one of 12 apostles in heaven. Paul is not. That is reality.
Lincoln believed in a God and had a strong sense of Providence, but didn't go in for the answers that different faiths and denominations gave to the questions we all have. Beyond a minimal core of faith in a creator, his views were more negative than positive. Much the same thing could be said of Washington, Franklin, Adams, and Jefferson.
But hey, a "Great Emancipator" was a Swedenborgian. Robert Carter III embraced your faith in the late 18th century and freed his 500 slaves. See the recent book The First Emancipator.
Swedenborg tell us that Paul was seen around some pretty unsavory characters in the spiritual world.
Apparently you don't study the Bible or you wouldn't make such an uninformed statement.
Judas betrayed and sold Jesus for capture - forfeiting his position. Confirmed in Acts 1:25* to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas fell away
Paul was called to be an apostle as outlined in Acts 9. That is the real reality.
All of 'borg's contacts with the spirit world were unsavory demons masquerading as other spirits. The testimony of Paul is truth, 'borg's is demonic.
Well the Church as an institution was in it's infancy then. What he held to be true in his heart is what matters.Today, Church of the Holy City in Washington DC has a blog site and many congrations are available in the Convention and New Church. They differed in focus but seem now to be coming together in purpose
Personally, my wife and I attend our community Episcopal Church for sacrament of Holy Supper. I can listen to sermons online at anytime or study the Writings. Membership to a brick and mortar institution is pretty meaningless in the next life.
Thank you for the referce to Robert Carter III - I will research him.
Blessings,
Acts is not part of our canon. My future threads will be ecumenical to put an end to this harassment. Please do not contine this.
There is a small group here who are very threatened by anything that doesn't conform to their own religious views. They ping each other whenever someone posts something they disagree with.
As long as you are not cramming anything down our throats, you have as much right to post as they do in my opinion though, of course, I don't own this website and have nothing really to say about that.
Swedenborg is, indeed, a well-known figure and I do not think people should be threatened if some wish to read about his ideas..
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