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To: annalex; Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr
The sense of alienation is a lack of love

No, alienation simply means just what it means—something one cannot identify with, something one does not recognize as his/her own.

The analogy of two kindred yet separate nations is a good example, but there is one difference: nations exist to serve themselves, whereas Churches exist to serve one God

Churches claim they serve God whether they are in communion or not. Besides, what does that mean "to serve God?"

You have decided that it's all the Orthodox fault. But I will tell you something, you can't make someone love you. And by the same token just because someone loves you doesn't mean you are obligated to love them.

You have managed to turn the Orthodox attitude towards the West as something materialistic and faddish and ocunter-traditional into a damnable lack of love for the West, so as to paint the East as some loveless villain whose fault it is that we can't hold hands.

Your twisted mind only confirms Orthodox suspicions and doubts. It's like some stalker who sees himself as a "victim" because the person he is infatuated with is refusing his advances.

46 posted on 09/29/2009 8:50:39 AM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: kosta50
Your twisted mind

Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

47 posted on 09/29/2009 9:17:17 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: kosta50; annalex

***You have decided that it’s all the Orthodox fault. But I will tell you something, you can’t make someone love you. And by the same token just because someone loves you doesn’t mean you are obligated to love them.***

A step back and another look at what we are instructed to do with our friends and enemies might be worth while.

Matthew 5:
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17 But I say to you, whoever is angry 18 with his brother will be liable to judgment, and whoever says to his brother, ‘Raqa,’ will be answerable to the Sanhedrin, and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ will be liable to fiery Gehenna.
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Therefore, if you bring your gift to the altar, and there recall that your brother has anything against you,
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leave your gift there at the altar, go first and be reconciled with your brother, and then come and offer your gift.

If we cannot be reconciled with our dearest of brethren, flesh of our spiritual flesh, then how do we handle the heathen, heretic, and apostate:
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27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
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But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you,
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that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust.
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For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors 28 do the same?
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And if you greet your brothers only, what is unusual about that? Do not the pagans do the same? 29
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So be perfect, 30 just as your heavenly Father is perfect.

If we cannot handle minor differences which whet our pride and our haughtiness, then the harpies of Podarge will descend upon us here on FR and we will deserve it.


50 posted on 09/29/2009 6:19:57 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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