JIMT posted:
Who’d a thunk it ? Only ONE of those groups going to heaven, the rest to hell.
5 I saw Father Adam and Abraham; and my father and my mother; my brother Alvin, that has long since slept;
6 And marveled how it was that he had obtained an inheritance in that kingdom, seeing that he had departed this life before the Lord had set his hand to gather Israel the second time, and had not been baptized for the remission of sins.
7 Thus came the voice of the Lord unto me, saying: All who have died without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God;
8 Also all that shall die henceforth without a knowledge of it, who would have received it with all their hearts, shall be heirs of that kingdom;
9 For I, the Lord, will judge all men according to their works, according to the desire of their hearts.
10 And I also beheld that all children who die before they arrive at the years of accountability are saved in the celestial kingdom of heaven.
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/137
It’s a terrible discredit to label LDS with the ole “Believe as we or go to hell” stigma when it is we (rather Christ) who are the ONLY ones with a plan of salvation which covers every inhabitant of this world from Adam/Eve to the last born at the end of the millennium. Whether living now on earth, or now in heavens.
Would Christ’s true church exclude anyone from salvation? No!
The above verses does not ignore Christ’s saving ordinances, The purpose of LDS temples is to provide Christ’s saving ordinances to all those who have ever lived on this planet.
Please make note and post accordingly in the future. Otherwise, having been informed, you will be violating the 9th commandment.
Yours in Christ, Brother Niv
JIMT,
I see in later posts you are in support of LDS. So I guess your statement was rhetorical in nature. Please temper my response in light of that new revelation.
Yours in Christ, Brother Niv
The purpose of LDS temples is to provide Christ’s saving ordinances to all those who have ever lived on this planet.
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Good luck with that n00b...
The purpose of LDS temples is to provide Christ’s saving ordinances to all those who have ever lived on this planet.
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Listen kid...
You are just in time for class...
Come in and sit down...
You are in luck today...
Your teacher is Nana...
The purpose of Christ’s death on the cross was to provide savalation to whoever will believe in Him..but not everyone of all those who have ever lived on this planet will be saved...
Just whoever will...
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16
From what you have written in this old thread from Sept 2009, you are sorely lacking in knowledge about God...
But God has taking pity on you and sent you here...
See how the love and mercy of God works ???
Grasshopper, you are in the right place at the right time...
Lots of Christians here to teach you the real story about the saving grace of Jesus Christ...
There is the LDS way...
and then theres the way that Jesus wants it to be done...
Jesus said to the n00b kid, “I am the Way , the Truth, and the Life. No man or woman comes to the Father except by me” Jophn 14:6
BTW those stupid looking buildings you refer to as “temples” are a waste of time and money...
God does not dwell in buildings...
God wants to dwell in man’;s hearts...
He wants to dwell in youre...
If you will let Him...
Thus ends this lesson...
That was good preaching, Nana...
Cost of the lesson...
Free to the spiritually poverty stricken n00b...
Would Christ’s true church exclude anyone from salvation?
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Well since you asked me...
I;ll tell you, n00b...
No church has anything to do with deciding whether or not someone will get saved...
Jesus is the head of His church and its up to Him ...
And He has already done everytrhing necessary for salvation...
If the question was to be...
Would Christ exclude anyone from salvation?
Then, YES, there will be lots of people who will not be saved...
There is a Heaven for those who are saved...
and there is a Hell for those who are not saved...
Jesus Himself said that those who do not believe will be damned...Mark 16:16
Jesus talked a lot about Hell and warned us not to go there...
Lots of people hear the salvation message and then choose to go to Hell..
Like Joey Smith who invented his home made religion, mormonmism because he hated Christianity...
Joey Smith heard the Gospel preached but turned his back on Jesus and even boasted he was greater than Jesus...
So one month later God destroyed Joey Smith...
He got himself killed in a gun fight breaking out of jail ...
He murdered two men during the fight...
Right now the murderer and false prophet, Joey Smith is rotting in Hell...
He will never get ut of there...
It’s too late for him...
He’s dead...and that’s it...
n00b you do not want to go where Joey Smith is right now...
While you are still alive there is still hope for you to be saved...
Mighty big boast. I read your prophets saying otherwise
“[There is] no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God
- Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, v. 1, p. 190
"No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith...every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are"
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 7, p. 289
"For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the ‘Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men."
- Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, v. 3, p. 282
"He that confesseth not that Jesus has come in the flesh and sent Joseph Smith with the fullness of the Gospel to this generation, is not of God, but is anti-christ"
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 9, p. 312
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- Apostle George Q. Cannon, Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, 1988, p. 142
But lets not stop there-
“And I say unto you again that he cannot save them in their sins; for I cannot deny his word, and he hath said that no unclean thing can inherit the kingdom of heaven.…Therefore, ye cannot be saved in your sins.” —Alma 11:37
Please make note and post accordingly in the future brother niv. Otherwise, having been informed, you will be violating the 9th commandment.
I’m sorry that you have been deceived and taught lies. You are in terrible danger.
Would Christ’s true church exclude anyone from entering His temple unless they followed the rules set up by the MORMON hierarchy?
(One CANNOT find the 'RULES' in ANY writings that the MORMONs call 'scripture')
First of all, why would Adam need a "plan of salvation" if the most prestigious Mormon university is named after somebody who taught for over 25 years that "Adam is God???"
Secondly, do you want the short bubble-burster version as to why it's not possible for the Mormon "retro salvation" plan to work, or the longer version?
Well, here's both: Elsie said it in a simple nutshell about three months ago: Logically; this is IMPOSSIBLE, for all of the NAMES of these people are NOT accessable and will NEVER be accessable. THEREFORE; the MORMONic ritual of Baptism for the Dead is a definite FALSE teaching.
Here, was my longer version recaptured below...note especially what I've bold-faced:
Are you serious? You think pre-Gutenberg printed records will drop out of the sky, or be dug up etched in golden plates in Hill Cumorahs all over the world? You seriously think that the vast records of people in the Dark Ages and before the Dark Ages, down to their very birth name (required for Lds baptisms), will be found? (If not, then drop this silly idealism of "saving" whoever has ever lived!!! It's a false ideal part of a false hope of a false gospel. You & Lds leaders make this magnanimous appeal to "fairness" that ALL will have the opportunity to receive the gospel in the after-life, except Mormons then never seem to get around talking about the "fine print" of their claims & this legal obligation...* "uh, it's kind of dependent upon us finding all their birth records & such...you know B.C...early A.D....dark ages...unliterate people...etc. etc. etc.")
It’s a terrible discredit to label LDS with the ole “Believe as we or go to hell” stigma...
Lds believe that "...hell...is a temporary state in which spirits will be taught the gospel & have the opportunity to repent & accept ordinances for them that are performed." (True to the Faith, 2004, official Lds publication, p. 81)
Now what's wrong with this statement?
(1) It negates Hebrews 9:27 "For it is appointed for man to die once, and then the judgement"
(2) It creates a false sense of security for earthly man: "Oh, I can repent AFTER I die"
(3) In light of what I said above -- the vast majority of Dark Ages & before will never have their records found, how can the Lds church turn around and say this is MANDATED for EVERY spirit before they can be judged? Joseph Smith taught that "ALL those who have not had an opportunity of hearing the Gospel, and being administered unto by an inspired man in the flesh, MUST have it hereafter, BEFORE they can be finally judged. (Lds Presidents book on Smith, p. 471)
(4) Lds assume not only can they arrange eternal relationships with God and Jesus Christ post-death, but they can do marital match-making for the deceased. (Someone start the Halloween Morg music): "In the temple, we can perform ALL the ordinances necessary for the exaltation of those who have died. This includes temple marriage." (Official Lds teaching pub -- Gospel Principles, p. 248) [Yeah, all: Think of The Addams family performing ghoulish eternal wedding rituals for the dead]
(5) It treats mere men as "saviors". Citations from former lds "prophets":
...we are the only people that know how to save our progenitors, how to save ourselves, and how to save our posterity in the celestial kingdom of God;...we in fact are the saviours of the world..." (Lds "prophet" John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, vol.6, p.163).
"... mortals have to be saviors on Mount Zion, acting by proxy for the dead." (LDS "prophet" Joseph Fielding Smith, The Way to Perfection, p. 325)
"We know something about our progenitors, and God has taught us how to be saviors for them by being baptized for them in the flesh, that they may live according to God in the Spirit." (LDS "prophet" John Taylor, March 20,1870, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 14, 3/20/1870)
Would Christ’s true church exclude anyone from salvation? No!
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Ummm...guess again. For starters....
Matt 22:14 (NIV) - “For many are invited, but few are chosen.”
Matt 7:13-14 (NIV) - “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”
Matt 7:21-23 (NIV) - “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
You state:
it is we (rather Christ) who are the ONLY ones with a plan of salvation which covers every inhabitant of this world from Adam/Eve to the last born at the end of the millennium. Whether living now on earth, or now in heavens.
Mormons have a plan to save those already in "heavens"?
Presumably they were granted access there by God, but
Mormons know better and need to save them?
How awesome.
That Smith feller sure gots moxy.
Still awaiting a response from LDSareNOTChristians...
I expect this was a hit and run, inmans.