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Our Lord Jesus Christ, in the final days of His earthly life, in the days of His mission to the race of man, chose from among the disciples His twelve Apostles to preach the Word of God. Among them, the Apostle Peter for his fiery ardor was vouchsafed to occupy the first place (Mt.10:2) and to be as it were the representative person for all the Church. Therefore it is said to him, preferentially, after the confession: “I will give unto thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth, shall be bound in the heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth: shall be loosed in heaven” (Mt.16: 19). Therefore it was not one man, but rather the One Universal Church, that received these “keys” and the right “to bind and loosen.” And that it was actually the Church that received this right, and not exclusively a single person, turn your attention to another place of the Scriptures, where the same Lord says to all His Apostles, “Receive ye the Holy Spirit” and further after this, “Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them: and whose soever sins ye retain, are retained” (John 20: 22-23); or: “whatsoever ye bind upon the earth, shall be bound in Heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth, shall be loosened in heaven” (Mt.18:18). Thus, it is the Church that binds, the Church that loosens; the Church, built upon the foundational cornerstone, Jesus Christ Himself (Eph 2:20), doth bind and loosen. Let both the binding and the loosening be feared: the loosening, in order not to fall under this again; the binding, in order not to remain forever in this condition. Therefore “Iniquities ensnare a man, and everyone is bound in the chains of his own sins,” says Wisdom (Prov 5:22); and except for Holy Church nowhere is it possible to receive the loosening. 

This is a stating a few scripture references out of context along with a narrative to make a point which has no fact in scripture. Every gift or power given to the apostles was given to all decuples or believers.

Lord says to all His Apostles, “Receive ye the Holy Spirit” and further after this, “Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them: and whose soever sins ye retain, are retained” (John 20: 22-23); or: “whatsoever ye bind upon the earth, shall be bound in Heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth, shall be loosened in heaven” (Mt.18:18)

When you add the preceeding verses to John 20, 20-21 you will see these gifts were given to all the disciples who were there. The word apostle is not used as it in your text. The power to bind and loose is given to all believers and has nothing to do with the way the church portrays it.

We as individuals have to forgive the sins committed against us by a brother before God the Father can forgive our sins against Him. If we don't forgive those sins when asked, it binds them on earth and in heaven. When those sins are bound, so are our sins against the Father and they can't be loosed/forgiven.

It has nothing to do with man forgiving sins against God for God. Only God the Father can forgive them.

Whether any of you are ever convinced that an earthly priest cannot forgive your Sins against God for God, please at least learn from this discourse how Jesus defines binding and loosing. You have to forgive sins against you before God can forgive your sins against Him.

Jesus thought it was so important He included it in the Lord's Prayer. "Father, forgive me my trespasses as I forgive those who trespass against me."

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Our Lord Jesus Christ, in the final days of His earthly life, in the days of His mission to the race of man, chose from among the disciples His twelve Apostles to preach the Word of God. Among them, the Apostle Peter for his fiery ardor was vouchsafed to occupy the first place (Mt.10:2) and to be as it were the representative person for all the Church. Therefore it is said to him, preferentially, after the confession: “I will give unto thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth, shall be bound in the heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth: shall be loosed in heaven” (Mt.16: 19). Therefore it was not one man, but rather the One Universal Church, that received these “keys” and the right “to bind and loosen.” And that it was actually the Church that received this right, and not exclusively a single person, turn your attention to another place of the Scriptures, where the same Lord says to all His Apostles, “Receive ye the Holy Spirit” and further after this, “Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them: and whose soever sins ye retain, are retained” (John 20: 22-23); or: “whatsoever ye bind upon the earth, shall be bound in Heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth, shall be loosened in heaven” (Mt.18:18). Thus, it is the Church that binds, the Church that loosens; the Church, built upon the foundational cornerstone, Jesus Christ Himself (Eph 2:20), doth bind and loosen. Let both the binding and the loosening be feared: the loosening, in order not to fall under this again; the binding, in order not to remain forever in this condition. Therefore “Iniquities ensnare a man, and everyone is bound in the chains of his own sins,” says Wisdom (Prov 5:22); and except for Holy Church nowhere is it possible to receive the loosening. 

This is a stating a few scripture references out of context along with a narrative to make a point which has no fact in scripture. Every gift or power given to the apostles was given to all decuples or believers.

Lord says to all His Apostles, “Receive ye the Holy Spirit” and further after this, “Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them: and whose soever sins ye retain, are retained” (John 20: 22-23); or: “whatsoever ye bind upon the earth, shall be bound in Heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth, shall be loosened in heaven” (Mt.18:18)

When you add the preceeding verses to John 20, 20-21 you will see these gifts were given to all the disciples who were there. The word apostle is not used as it in your text. The power to bind and loose is given to all believers and has nothing to do with the way the church portrays it.

We as individuals have to forgive the sins committed against us by a brother before God the Father can forgive our sins against Him. If we don't forgive those sins when asked, it binds them on earth and in heaven. When those sins are bound, so are our sins against the Father and they can't be loosed/forgiven.

It has nothing to do with man forgiving sins against God for God. Only God the Father can forgive them.

Whether any of you are ever convinced that an earthly priest cannot forgive your Sins against God for God, please at least learn from this discourse how Jesus defines binding and loosing. You have to forgive sins against you before God can forgive your sins against Him.

Jesus thought it was so important He included it in the Lord's Prayer. "Father, forgive me my trespasses as I forgive those who trespass against me."

BVB

 

 

[Yudan]

Forgive me, brother. But vain sounds about right. I’m sorry that you missed the point of an exchange between one person taking the Orthodox view of +Peter’s primacy and the other taking the Roman Catholic view.

Out of context? Take it up with St. Augustine. He wrote those words in the 5th century.