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Why baptize children at young age of 8?
Mormon Times ^ | Sept. 21, 2009 | Kristine Frederickson

Posted on 09/25/2009 6:53:41 PM PDT by Colofornian

A friend of my daughter recently said she could not understand why Mormons baptize children at such a young age, 8 years old. This got me thinking.

...We do not baptize infants or little children because, as taught in section 29 of the Doctrine and Covenants, "little children are redeemed" through Christ and "cannot sin, for power is not given unto Satan to tempt little children until they begin to become accountable before me."

But why do we baptize at the young and tender age of 8? Why not wait until they are older and, as some would argue, more competent to make such a momentous decision.

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In the home, in church meetings and functions, this is what we are to do. Then, after being thus prepared, "their children shall be baptized for the remission of their sins when eight years old, and receive the laying on of hands."

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We baptize children at age 8 because it is the age of accountability. We baptize at age 8 because the Lord wants children to have the blessings, in this and the next life, that come through covenant relationships. We baptize at age 8 because in doing so we give children access to the power of righteousness and the power of God in their lives.

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From the commentary: We do not baptize infants or little children because, as taught in section 29 of the Doctrine and Covenants, "little children are redeemed" through Christ and "cannot sin...Then, after being thus prepared, "their children shall be baptized for the remission of their sins when eight years old...

Say what? Can you say "cult" when people can't see a living contradiction right of front of them?

First, Mormons say that 7.99 year-old children can't sin. (Yeah, just try telling that to parents of 7, 6, 5 & the worst of tantrum toddlers)

But then, this writer & the Mormons she represents have the blatant nerve to tell us to our face that although 7.99 yo children "cannot sin" -- the moment the clock strikes 8 years the kid can be baptized "for the remission of their sins".

Say what? You just told me the kid was innocent. Now you tell me the kid's got spiritual cancer and needs a remission remedy. (Kind of makes the head-spinning from the movie, The Exorcist seem like child's play)

From the commentary: We baptize children at age 8 because it is the age of accountability.

Oh. So you can't hold 7 yo kids or younger accountable, eh? (Oh, that's the major parental problem. Too many parents of young kids have been actually trying to hold them accountability for their sin, their naughtiness, their lack of discipline, their bad-boy behavior, their self-centeredness).

You'll notice the Bible has no notion of an "age of accountability." The Book of Mormon barely covers it re: children. Lds get most of their thought on this from Doctrine & Covenants.

1 posted on 09/25/2009 6:53:41 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

I like cake.


2 posted on 09/25/2009 6:54:49 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Colofornian

I go to a SBC and we have had children that young baptized. Some know exactly what they are doing at that age while others may need to wait a while longer. It all depends on their level of understanding.


4 posted on 09/25/2009 6:56:34 PM PDT by MamaB (If you see someone without a smile, give them yours.)
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To: Colofornian

You don’t have much else to do, do you?


5 posted on 09/25/2009 6:58:16 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (This tagline excerpted. To read more, click on MyOverratedBlog.com)
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To: Larry Lucido
You don’t have much else to do, do you?

(Hey, if you're commenting to me, you don't have much else to do, do you?)

6 posted on 09/25/2009 7:00:18 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Larry Lucido

What’s wrong with sitting back on a Friday evening, popping a cold one, and disparaging someone’s religious beliefs on FR?


7 posted on 09/25/2009 7:05:45 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Colofornian

I dislike my mother baptizing me at a young age , I would have loved to make a decision all by myself she also made me do the first communion,which I do not wanted to because I was an atheist .

If i ever have a child I would make them choose the religion they would like to follow, unlike my mother who chose it for me and I turn out to be more rebellious.


8 posted on 09/25/2009 7:06:17 PM PDT by lmarie373 (*These little guys might look cute and cuddly, but trust us: they will kill you.-on emanuel brothers)
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To: lmarie373
which I do not wanted to because I was an atheist .
*did
9 posted on 09/25/2009 7:08:33 PM PDT by lmarie373 (*These little guys might look cute and cuddly, but trust us: they will kill you.-on emanuel brothers)
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To: lmarie373
"If i ever have a child I would make them choose the religion they would like to follow"

haven't thought that thru have you.

10 posted on 09/25/2009 7:09:09 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: lmarie373

According to the bible baptism is a profession of faith. It doesn’t make you a Christian.


11 posted on 09/25/2009 7:11:30 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 1rudeboy; Larry Lucido
...and disparaging someone’s religious beliefs on FR?

(Are you disparaging my religious beliefs on FR again? Hey, if you want to be intolerant of my religious beliefs, 'tis A-OK with me. I simply find it a bit inconsistent that you seem to have some standard where perceived intolerance of others' religious beliefs is somehow a 'no-no' to you...If that's a no-no, then why disparage someone else's religious beliefs?)

12 posted on 09/25/2009 7:12:02 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: lmarie373
"...which I do not wanted to because I was an atheist."

*did "

"...which i did not wanted to..."

correction noted

13 posted on 09/25/2009 7:13:17 PM PDT by robomatik
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To: driftdiver
According to the bible baptism is a profession of faith. It doesn’t make you a Christian.

Don't forget that one of Jesus' earliest believers, that is, one of the criminals who was crucified alongside Him, professed his own faith in Jesus, and Jesus assured him that he would enter heaven.

14 posted on 09/25/2009 7:13:25 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: driftdiver

ooops not make them but respect any religion,sorry.

I wrote that post to fast but I still disagree with baptizing your children at a young age.


15 posted on 09/25/2009 7:13:34 PM PDT by lmarie373 (*These little guys might look cute and cuddly, but trust us: they will kill you.-on emanuel brothers)
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To: Colofornian

The last thing in the world I would wish for is someone like you telling me how to follow my religious teachings. If you can do it, then Barack Obama can also, and he probably won’t be quoting any religious doctrine.

Mind your own business and keep your nose out of mine.


16 posted on 09/25/2009 7:14:48 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: robomatik

Sorry too many grammatical errors, I haven’t had my 8 hours of sleep :( .Thanks for the correction.


17 posted on 09/25/2009 7:15:07 PM PDT by lmarie373 (*These little guys might look cute and cuddly, but trust us: they will kill you.-on emanuel brothers)
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To: Colofornian

The debate for or against infant/child baptism may go on as long as the Earth spins.

Baptism by those who choose to be baptized is only an outward expression of an inward change. The important factor is not what’s on the outside but what’s on the inside.

Therefore the act of receiving baptism is less important than the decision to pick up your cross and follow God’s path in your life.

If that choice is made before or after baptism is less important than the fact that a person makes it at all.

Therefore please leave the dust in your neighbor’s eyes for now. There are more important matters at the moment. One of them is a full day of college football ahead of us tomorrow.


18 posted on 09/25/2009 7:15:18 PM PDT by ActrFshr
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To: lmarie373
I wrote that post to fast but I still disagree with baptizing your children at a young age.

So when a kid raised in such a manner becomes the next Adam Gadahn or John Walker Lindh ...

19 posted on 09/25/2009 7:15:37 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: lmarie373
"Thanks for the correction."

huh?

hey i've been there. sleep is your friend. welcome to fr.

20 posted on 09/25/2009 7:17:14 PM PDT by robomatik
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To: lmarie373

Not to preach, but...

If you were baptized in my faith as an infant, and now profess to be an atheist, your mother will burn in hell, for the sin of not raising you right.

Or so the nuns told me.


21 posted on 09/25/2009 7:17:37 PM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: Colofornian

You might also take into account that 100 years ago, children of 8 were quite mature. Probably the equivalent of 16yo or better compared to today’s youth.


22 posted on 09/25/2009 7:22:37 PM PDT by Andrewksu
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To: Colofornian

I am a Cumberland Presbyterian, a small denomination that broke off from Presbyterian US in 1810 based on several tenants, including the Calvinistic beliefs (I do not know what their teaching is now) of predestination and that children dying in infancy are not saved. Our “Confession of Faith” section 5.19 reads as follows:

5.19 The sacrament of baptism is administered to infants, one or both of whose parents or guardians affirm faith in Jesus Christ and assume the responsibilities of the covenant, and to all persons who affirm personal faith in Jesus Christ who have not received the sacrament.

Scripture references talk about baptizing, not only the individual, but also their household. These references are Acts 16: 14-15,32-33; I Corinthians 1:16.

Also, I heard a Presbyterian PCA minister talk about infant baptism as an issue of “it depends on where you want to start”. Remember that babies were taken to the temple to be dedicated in the Old Testament, Samuel being the best example I can cite off the top of my head.

Children baptized in the CP church are baptized into the covenant community, but still must make their own decision and profession of faith. We believe in the doctrine that “whosoever will” repent of their sins and accept Christ as their savior will be saved.


23 posted on 09/25/2009 7:23:08 PM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: pnh102

My 5-year-old niece isn’t baptized neither does she attend church but she is polite and doesn’t use any profanity.She is well-behaved and you wouldn’t know if she was baptized or not.

I’m not saying I wont teach them any morals or values but I wouldn’t baptize my child(ren) or force them follow any religion.. If they find God good for them I will support them 100%.


24 posted on 09/25/2009 7:25:12 PM PDT by lmarie373 (*These little guys might look cute and cuddly, but trust us: they will kill you.-on emanuel brothers)
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To: Colofornian

Help me out here: you believe religiously in disparaging other religions? I suppose I am disparaging yours, then.


25 posted on 09/25/2009 7:27:21 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: patton

Well I’m agnostic I was an atheist when I was 13 years old.
I have tried to find god but i find my prayers useless, honestly, but I hope I’m wrong.I wouldn’t want to be against god.


26 posted on 09/25/2009 7:29:18 PM PDT by lmarie373 (*These little guys might look cute and cuddly, but trust us: they will kill you.-on emanuel brothers)
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To: driftdiver; lmarie373; ActrFshr
According to the bible baptism is a profession of faith. It doesn’t make you a Christian. [driftdriver]

He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3:5-7)

Driftdriver & ActrFshr, What's the "washing" referencing here?
Why is "washing" directly linked to something "salvific?"
And if it's not baptism what makes you say it's not (such as looking @ Titus 3 in context)?

1 Peter 3:21: and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ...

If baptism has no "salvific" reference point, why does Peter come right and disagree with you? (actually you are disagreeing w/Peter -- something about him having spoken out first on this matter). How do you explain this passage away?

Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. (John 3:5)

Acts 2:38 -- which also links baptism to receiving the Holy Ghost -- and Acts 2:39 -- which stresses that baptism is a promise for children: Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

Also, whole households were baptized simultaneously (Acts 16:14-15;: Acts 16:33; Acts 11:14-17).

27 posted on 09/25/2009 7:30:20 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Bible speaks of whole families being saved, never of anyone being too young.


28 posted on 09/25/2009 7:31:36 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Mr. Obama, I will not join your plantation.)
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To: Colofornian
Good evening. I look forward to all of the replies...

Baptize them as infants.

Like I said, I look forward to all of the coming posts, but be careful...

5.56mm

29 posted on 09/25/2009 7:32:07 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Colofornian

Colofornian,

Chill!

Actually I think that it’s a great practice to baptise a child at an age after they understand the teachings of their parents on how to be a good person; and/or the teachings of their church on how to be a good Christian.

It will be much more meaningful to them as adults to remember the ceremony of their joining with God, than as a very young child who will not recall anything.

I’m not an LDS or even a good Christian, but I think that you need to take some more meds, and chill out a bit!


30 posted on 09/25/2009 7:32:10 PM PDT by aShepard
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To: 1rudeboy
...you believe religiously in disparaging other religions? I suppose I am disparaging yours, then.

RB, we both know you seem to interpret taking issue with, disagreeing with, debating, etc. as "disparaging." (Therefore, since you take issue with, disagree with, and debate my comments, my your own applied definition, you "disparage" my comments. Since you apparently have some kind of loosely applied standard -- at least applied to others -- that you shouldn't disagree religiously, why don't you adhere to your own self-standard?)

31 posted on 09/25/2009 7:33:19 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

If your child needed, say, insulin, would you deny it to him until he reached the “age of accountability”?
Where’s the sense in that?


32 posted on 09/25/2009 7:34:05 PM PDT by MrLuigi (incompetence)
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To: Colofornian
Jesus routinely uses metaphors to explain things. Jesus was also quoted as being allegedly critical of Jewish laws regarding the washing of hands and the cleaning of cookware. Did this mean that Jesus no longer wanted people to follow the rules of basic hygiene? Of course not.

Again, Jesus promised the criminal who died with him that he would join Him in heaven because the criminal professed his belief that Jesus was his savior. This criminal was never physically baptized, but by Jesus' own words, he is in heaven now.

33 posted on 09/25/2009 7:36:30 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Colofornian

I’m not familiar with LDS, but the Catholic Church, while it baptizes infants, doesn’t allow them to receive the sacrament of the Holy Eucharist, (Communion) until they are 6, but up to 8. That is the age range when it is understood that children reach the ‘age of reason.’ That is, they can differentiate between right and wrong. Before that reasoning ability is achieved, their actions really can’t be called ‘sins.’ So on that score the Catholics and Mormons see eye to eye.


34 posted on 09/25/2009 7:37:29 PM PDT by EDINVA (A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul -- G. B. Shaw)
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To: Colofornian

I take it you didn’t vote Romney?


35 posted on 09/25/2009 7:39:46 PM PDT by fso301
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To: centurion316
The last thing in the world I would wish for is someone like you telling me how to follow my religious teachings... Mind your own business and keep your nose out of mine.

Let me get this straight: My "religious teachings" from the apostle Paul & Apollos tell me it's OK to go into the synagogue and debate with fellow religious Jews (See Acts 16, 17, 18, 19). But your "religious teachings" of telling others to "mind" their "own business and keep your nose out of mine" supposedly shuts down and censors my "religious teachings" from the book of Acts?

On what grounds do you appeal to re: your religious teachings trumping mine? (I can at least appeal to the Bible, book of Acts). What authority do you appeal to?

Besides, if you're own personal standard is to "mind your own business and keep your nose out of mine" then please tell me why you're not keeping your nose out of the religious business I'm posting on this thread?

If this was such a great standard to adhere to, then you'd ignore me. Totally. 100%. Your nose would be elsewhere. As would your mind you're not suppose to "mind."

Instead. You're minding my business.

What are we suppose to believe? The words you're preaching at me? (Or the actions that betray your sermon?)

36 posted on 09/25/2009 7:40:52 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Do Mormon's kill children that have been baptized in the faith like Islam kills those that have been born into the faith if they chose to abandon that religion for another?
37 posted on 09/25/2009 7:41:34 PM PDT by DejaJude
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To: fso301
I take it you didn’t vote Romney?

Romney changed his mind a dozen times on abortion, three times on embryonic stem cell research, and three times on protecting homosexuality as a workplace "civil rights" matter.

Aside from that, if Hillary Clinton said that when she died, she expected to become a god and that this life was an audition for godhood, do you think that'd inspire voters to vote for her?

38 posted on 09/25/2009 7:42:49 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Since you apparently have some kind of loosely applied standard -- at least applied to others -- that you shouldn't disagree religiously, why don't you adhere to your own self-standard?)

You think it's loose because you don't understand it: you disparagingly call Mormonism a "cult" and think it is debate. That's ok, just admit it.

(And by the way, I don't know your religious persuasion and don't care--that's why I asked if your religion calls for you to refer to other religions as a "cult.")

39 posted on 09/25/2009 7:43:21 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Colofornian

Baptism at birth. Only way to go, as that gets the “original sin” out of the way. Then continue baptism over and over again each time the child sins.

That is why the coach sent offending players to the showers, right?


40 posted on 09/25/2009 7:44:58 PM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: ActrFshr
Baptism by those who choose to be baptized is only an outward expression of an inward change.

You know what -- this is a doctrine of some groups but I dare you to find me ONE SINGLE BIBLE passage that uses this phrasing or vocabulary or language.

(You've bought into a tradition minus the foundation's that supposed to hold it up).

The important factor is not what’s on the outside but what’s on the inside.

Listen. Jesus was resurrected to new life, right? Well, the New Testament says that the Father resurrected Him. The Holy Spirit resurrected Him. And Jesus resurrected Himself. Question: Did the life of the Father that resurrected Him come ONLY from the inside?

Therefore please leave the dust in your neighbor’s eyes for now.

(I assume then, that the first comment above is "dust" you discovered in my eyes?)

Tis funny to hear folks sometimes. For example, they'll read the Bible account about the Pharisee concluding he's glad he wasn't like the inward finger-pointing he was doing of another person in his scenario...and then we'll conclude, "Boy, I'm glad I'm glad I'm not like that Pharisee doing the inward finger-pointing."

41 posted on 09/25/2009 7:49:16 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: lmarie373

Just from reading a few your posts, it doesn’t sound to me like you really know much about what Christianity is all about. I don’t know how you can come to the conclusion that you are an athiest if you really know so little about what Christianity is. My suggestion is that you search to discover the truth about Christianity, and somebody may need to give you some help. You certainly don’t learn much about it by listening to pop culture’s view of what Christianity is, whose view point is bleeding through your comments.


42 posted on 09/25/2009 7:49:49 PM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: Colofornian

WHERE does scripture (Bible scripture, that is) say anything about baptizing kids at 8 years of age? Not in my Bible...


43 posted on 09/25/2009 7:50:16 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: driftdiver

No, it has no salvific qualities.


44 posted on 09/25/2009 7:52:41 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: lmarie373

I’d probably disagree with you baptizing my children at any age. nothing personal


45 posted on 09/25/2009 7:52:58 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: pnh102

“’Don’t forget that one of Jesus’ earliest believers, that is, one of the criminals who was crucified alongside Him, professed his own faith in Jesus, and Jesus assured him that he would enter heaven.”

He entered heaven for accepting Christ as his savior. Not for being baptized, which is good because he wasn’t baptized.


46 posted on 09/25/2009 7:53:55 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Colofornian

Accepting Christ as your savior is what saves you. aka being reborn through faith.


47 posted on 09/25/2009 7:55:47 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 1rudeboy
You think it's loose because you don't understand it: you disparagingly call Mormonism a "cult" and think it is debate.

Again, I ask you if you're consistent? Lds "scripture" labels all other Christian sects to be apostates...100% putrid creed-wise...100% "corrupt" professing believers.

Now if you can show me ANY post where you've ever critiqued ANY Mormon for disparaging us, then I'll say, "Hey, RB is sometimes consistent. He doesn't like what he perceives as 'disparaging' comments. He calls all sides on the carpet when he sees it. He exercises his standard consistently."

Otherwise, if you can't, then may I suggest you consider desisting exporting your lopsidedly applied standard? (At least until you could apply it more evenly?)

48 posted on 09/25/2009 7:55:56 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

At 13 at Church camp. I finally realized what all the screaming and shouting was about.


49 posted on 09/25/2009 7:56:04 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: RatRipper

Our church believes in believer’s baptism and the dedication of infants and toddlers. The church then is held responsible, along with parents, to see that the children are brought up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. (Leading by example, I guess.)


50 posted on 09/25/2009 7:56:09 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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