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To: ExpatGator; greyfoxx39; Godzilla; Cronos; All
Us folks, who support Judeo-Christian principles, Constitutionally protected freedoms, and Western Culture should stand together and fight those who do not. Divisive posts like yours do nothing to further freedom and a strong America.

Wait a minute. That's an unfair tactic. Don't you know it's Monday morning? Don't you know it's against Monday a.m. rules to make others laugh like you've done? :)

Please allow me to explain: The first word of your last sentence was "divisive". Yet the first word of your second-to-last sentence was "Us" Now who's tilling "us" vs. "them" ground again?

"But," you might say: "There IS 'us' vs. 'them.' There are dividing lines."

And I would say, "Yes, I agree with you." But western culture and its freedoms aren't the only ones to exist. Jesus drew dividing lines with the Pharisees. He told them at one point that these legal religionists would traverse land and see to make converts "twice the son of hell."

Yeah, I know, I know. You'd probably lecture Jesus on your issues, too, had you lived back in the day of the Pharisee: The one thing I notice, Jesus, is that we Jews share a lot more principles and beliefs than we differ on. Us folks, who support Judeo...principles [and other] protected freedoms, and Middle-Eastern Culture should stand together and fight those who do not -- like those imposing Romans. Divisive comments to the Pharisees like yours do nothing to further freedom and a strong Israel.

(Well, have at it. I've heard Jesus is still alive; so I'm sure you've got His ear)

Beyond that, we Christians take our cultural cue from that certain "Lord" who goes by that Name. Who are we to follow when it comes to setting cultural priorities? Jesus and the apostle Paul? or ExpatGator?

Here's Jesus:

"I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him." (Luke 12:4-5)

So does Jesus say, "fear the non-Westerners or in that day, "fear the non-Middle Easterners?" (No)
Does Jesus say, "fear those who don't embrace constitutionally protected freedoms?" (No)
Does Jesus say, "fear those who don't share our Judeo-Christian principles?" (Again, No)

Instead, does He say to exercise fear of the One who has authority to cast somebody into hell? (Yes)

So, indeed, our "fear" is on behalf of those who are placing their eternal spiritual lives at risk.

As for "standing together" I could probably guess that the folks who the apostle Paul warned the church @ Ephesus about had the bulk in common with the sheep there. Both groups were "religious." So, did Paul play the "allies"-game-don't-divide-us-you're playing? (No)

As Paul was leaving the church of Ephesus, he warned them with this high-priority alert:

"I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears." (Acts 20:29-31)

Paul's cultural priority? (Defend against the false disciples who will proselytize the flock and draw away men unto themselves!)

Tell me something, ExpatGator: If you did something tearfully night and day for three years, do you think it's rather important? So what? We're just to conclude, "Oh, the man who contributed a good chunk to the New Testament -- what does he know about cultural priorities?"

I'll take Paul's and Jesus' already-revealed priorities to your guesswork based upon bashing those willing to contend for the faith once delivered to the saints (Jude 3)

24 posted on 10/05/2009 9:28:52 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

A bump and a thank you for #24, very well stated.


31 posted on 10/05/2009 11:46:55 AM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Selah.)
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To: Colofornian

“to your guesswork based upon bashing those willing to contend for the faith”

Seriously? Bashing? Where?


39 posted on 10/05/2009 12:38:02 PM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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