Posted on 10/05/2009 11:22:44 AM PDT by Gamecock
Calling Dan Rather! Calling Dan Rather!
A person's attachment to reality is very weak if they accept anything the media says about the Shroud without checking.
“It’s been pretty well debunked as legit.”
Sorry, you have not read the evidence. The C-14 dating has been pretty thoroughly debunked—and by people with no dog in this fight.
You need to do a “bit” of reading before you pontificate. I don’t know of any historical artifact so thoroughly examined forensically with the resulting evidence pointing nearly without exception toward authenticity. I write as a professional historian. If this were any other historical artifact, its authenticity would have been universally acknowledged decades ago. I see the bed Lincoln died in displayed in the Chicago Historical Museum and no one asks, “how do I know that’s authentic.” Thousands of historical artifacts are displayed around the world with 1/100th of the authenticating evidence that has arisen out of thousands of hours of scientific examination of the Shroud.
Yet people grasp at any straw, no matter how village-atheist produced, to discredit it. We would not be having this debate if it were a comparably researched relic of George Washington or Napoleon.
Seems to me that your faith is somehow bothered by the potential that this cloth is what it purports to be....
And I can see no reason for that.
Only a skeptic would turn off his/her brain and accept this as evidence that the shroud is a fake. I don’t care one way or the other if its not genuine.
All they have done is show that it is reproducable. Just because the Mona-Lisa is reproducable doesn’t mean the original is a fake.
I swear ... you have to believe some real crazy stuff to be a non-believer.
“The Shroud of Turin is a fake. It has been demonstrated repeatedly both in dating and in the science required to make it.”
You are so wrong. You should do some more critical reading.
The shroud is not an idol, and it is not worshipped.
No, and no one who claims the Shroud is the authentic burial shroud of Jesus says what you say. Shucks, half the scientists working on the scientific research on the Shroud are not even believers.
Christian faith does not depend on relics, but it does depend on the reality of a historical event (or chain of events).
But just as you cherish your great-grandmother’s china or your grandfather’s war medals, all humans everywhere through all time have cherished tangible objects that connect them to cherished persons of the past.
Is that so hard to fathom?
Read the thread before you make such a claim.
Surely he was aware of this?
For your further research convenience: http://tinyurl.com/turinlinen.
Sadly, for far too many, it seems a concept far beyond their skill set. You stated it very eloquently too, by the way.
The shroud of Turin is not part of any Christian religion I know. Where is it mentioned in the bible?
not that it proves anything. Funded by atheists? right, thats inmpartial science.
Wow, that was profound, Geron.
Come again?
I don't care who you are--that's funny!
“More like late 1200s con-men who rooked honest Churchmen.”
Dishonest scoundrels taking advantage of well-meaning religious folks is a well-established business in the Middle East.
The fake Judaica stuff on the market to cheat “stupid Americans” is rampant. Even saw a fake kosher Torah one time; got a real (taling $15k to $50k) modern Kosher torah and burnt and aged it, to make it look like one from the middle ages.
Made me ill on many levels.
The carbon tests were done after the shroud was exposed to a fire. Plus, carbon testing and other radiometric dating methods are notoriously suspect. Just ask the scientists who tested lava rocks formed in Hawaii by a volcano eruption in 1800 and got figures ranging from 160 million to 3 billion years. But even if that didn’t alter the test results, there was pollen from the area of Jerusalem embedded in the cloth.
I’m not sure the shroud is real, but it certainly hasn’t been debunked. Nor has it been confirmed beyond doubt.
This has nothing to do with being Christian or not as far as I know.
I was not aware the sample was taken from a patch...can you point me to a source on that?
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