Posted on 10/07/2009 3:25:53 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
I find it very confusing that people would vote for ‘hope and change’ and totally reject ‘The Blessed Hope’.
then it would be post trib prewrath only comes one time teaching?
Right. The blessed hope of Christ’s return will sustain us when the real persecution starts. The American church is nowhere near ready for that, I’m sorry to have to say.
Well, it’s posttrib, but it’s not the specifically prewrath kind. One second coming. I especially like the way he has researched the writings of the early church fathers and has compared them with scripture. Check it out. (By the way, Ig, I don’t mean to hijack your thread. Later.)
What if the Rapture has already happened? Maybe there were not so many Christians snatched up as folks might have expected. The earthly situation looks a bit like it is sliding into some serious tribulating right now.
Where are you writing from?
There are arguments for Pre, Mid, and Post all persuasive ... it’s not when He comes it’s THAT He comes ....
How many trumpets are there after the "last trumpet"?
Matthew 24:30-36
There is no mention of a “rapture” in that passage.
A Disillusioned PreacherMore than forty years ago this writer was the youthful pastor of a village church. He was an ardent Bible teacher (???), charting the seven dispensations, selling the Scofield Reference Bible, wishing he was rich enough to present copies of “Jesus Is Coming,” by W. E. Blackstone, to all of his friends and convinced that the Moody Bible Institute was the only hope, and perhaps the last hope, of apostate America. And then he was asked a question:
“What verse teaches that the church will be caught away before the tribulation?”
He quoted several referring to the second coming of Christ. Following each came the question:
“Does that say that the church will be caught away before the tribulation?”
He went to his room and searched the concordance. No help! He searched his bookshelves. Popular authors constantly asserted that Jesus is coming, before the tribulation. None of them quoted a verse which taught it. Beautiful dispensational charts, but no verse. How stupid can men be! This writer professed to teach nothing without a “thus saith the Lord;” and yet he was unaware that there was no, “thus saith the Lord,” to support this hub of prophetical doctrines, this rapture of the church before the tribulation. One question, without argument or persuasion, and against his own desires, revolutionized this writer’s life. All of his interests and affections were on the rapture side of the question. It took years to think around this problem, and in those troubled years a pamphlet discussing this issue frankly would have been priceless.
The issue is not literalism, or spiritualizing, or Jewish features of the tribulation, or clear distinctions between church and Israel, or the fulfillment of Jewish kingdom promises, or modernism, or deploring a hopeless future,
We state the issue plainly: IS JESUS COMING ACCORDING TO HIS WORD IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION? OR IS HS COMING ACCORDING TO THE WORD OF SOME EMINENT PREACHERS IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?
Literalists should be literal! Chapter and verse! Please! Plain Speaking On The Rapture Question
Like trinity, rapture is not specifically mentioned anywhere in the Bible. It is a concept drawn from interpretation of numerous passages. I am not really coming down on either side, I was just pointing out some passages used to support the idea.
Interesting.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. (John 14:3)Where is the rapture in that passage (rather than the vanilla Second Coming)?
Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. (1 John 3:2)Where is the rapture in that passage (rather than the vanilla Second Coming)?
After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, "Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this." (Rev. 4:1)Where is the rapture in that passage?
5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. (2 Thess. 2)Where is the rapture in that passage? That clearly sounds like the Second Coming.
No the wrath is when God pours it out the tribulation is the tribulation of the saints by Satan. Jesus told us that we would have tribulation just as He did, we would be despised and brought before judges and have our heads cut off the saint beneath the alter who were beheaded during the tribulation for their faith. It says that Christ will return and all will see Him in the air just as when He left. There is no u-turns, no secret raptures just one return.
Leave behind a stock of 15 and 30 year old Laphroaig so I can toast not having to put up with you.
The tribulation believers go through now is on earth and is from satan and his pawns. The tribulation period is when God pours out HIS wrath on unbelievers! His saints are not appointed unto wrath. Jesus, the bridegroom comes for his bride, the church, in the air and we ascend. Then in heaven there is the wedding feast for the bride/bridegroom. Later HIS saints return with Him to the earth to bring an end to the tribulation.
There is only one return. When He’s in the air - He is not returning - just shouting out for His saints to welcome them home. He comes for us - in the air!
The verses were given, if you reject them what else is there to say...?
They love human hope better...
Where are YOU writing from?....lol ?
I love your Ann C. quote!
we are heading there with bells on my friend!
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