Posted on 10/10/2009 10:57:27 AM PDT by topcat54
These sort of stories highlight the fact that without religion, there can be no morality. It is impossible to explain without any religious context why things like rape, murder, stealing, lying and whatnot are indeed wrong.
Liberals — all id and ego; no superego.
Good ole’ hoopie. The never ending liberal idiot.
Whoopi is an animal. That makes her point for her.
At the time of man when it was standard for 'rape or sexual aggression,' there was no such thing as 'moral.'
That man-made ideal came many, many years later.
Every now and then, researchers observe a chimpanzee harem, and note that the females often try to sneak away from the dominant male, to have sex with males that hang around the periphery of the harem.
They then say that because chimpanzees cheat, that it must be natural to cheat on one’s spouse.
However, they always neglect the other side of the equation. If a dominant male catches one of his females cheating with another male, he is likely to brutally kill both of them.
So, if cheating is natural, so is murdering your cheating spouse and their lover if you catch them. Just like in Texas.
The only thing Whoopi is an expert at, is baby killing.
She has admitted to aborting several of her own children.
Actually, there is no morality in evolutionary logic. At best an argument can be made for the importance of deceiving people into thinking that you care about them or have their best interest in mind, but that is where the logic of morality stops.
Indeed, the inner city baby daddies who are getting a dozen women to have their children should be considered to be at the top of the current evolutionary ladder. They have figured out the most efficient way to increase their gene line, while having the government (us) feed, shelter and clothe them. Sort of like human Cow Birds.
And for the "no morality without religion" crowd, there is Leviticus 20:10, which says the same thing.
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If we were just animals, then one might excuse the behavior. I’m of the opinion that Adam and Eve were given the first souls, and distinguishing them from Homo Sapien Sapiens (call us now Homo Sapien Adamsis), thereby setting mankind apart from the animal world. It allowed us to consider spiritual things, and allowed us to become spiritual beings. It provided the key element that causes us to rise above our base (animalistic) nature.
The materialists and secular humanists ignore it at their peril.
“These sort of stories highlight the fact that without religion, there can be no morality. It is impossible to explain without any religious context why things like rape, murder, stealing, lying and whatnot are indeed wrong.”
How absurd and vile. They are wrong because they are contrary to the very nature of human beings, the very necessity for them to survive as human beings. The human mind cannot function on lies. A human cannot exist without producing and stealing is a denial of that basic human requirement and must except a lie to violate that truth. It is the very nature of human beings to understand that “pleasure” is the reward for correct choices and pain the consequence of wrong ones. A pleasure enjoyed that is not earned is like stealing, enjoying that which is unearned and undeserved. It is a basic human requirement to know that one is worthy of what one enjoys in life, and must suffer the psychological consequences for attempting to enjoy what is not earned, and consequences of the lie to cover up that guilt.
Perhaps you would not be able to figure out that rape, murder, stealing, lying are wrong, without some authority telling you they are, but truly moral people do not need to be told they are wrong.
What you are implying is that rape, murder, stealing, and lying are only wrong because God said so. If He said they were OK, would they be?
Hank
If we take the view that humans are descended from lower order animals, then how can this be true? In the animal kingdom, the only rule is survival of the fittest. Animals kill other animals, steal from other animals, take the mates of other animals because that is their instinctively driven behavior. If we are descended from those same animals, then how can it be in our very nature to not do these things?
Perhaps you would not be able to figure out that rape, murder, stealing, lying are wrong, without some authority telling you they are, but truly moral people do not need to be told they are wrong.
Then how did those people learn to do it? And how did the people who taught those who taught these moral people learn? Where did what we consider to be good behavior come from?
What you are implying is that rape, murder, stealing, and lying are only wrong because God said so. If He said they were OK, would they be?
I am not implying it, I am explicitly saying it. Look at the Islamic faith as an example for how morality is derived from religion. In this faith, the holy book states very clearly that it is perfectly OK to kill nonbelievers, that it is perfectly OK to lie to advance the cause of Islam and that it is perfectly OK to have sex with minor girls. Many followers of Islam who agree with these tenets do so because Allah told them it was OK.
Likewise, societies that base their morality, and ultimately their laws upon laws listed in the Bible do so because we believe that God told is this was the right thing to do.
And the Creationist Craliban wonder why they get so little support from most Americans....
It simply doesn't get any dumber than that. An epic example of non sequitur (On par for that crowd, though.) Just because non-consensual sex may (or may not - who knows?) have played a role in evolution, it does not follow therefrom that 'rape' is condoned today by someone believing in the theory of evolution. (Otherwise, 95+ percent of males out there would be active rapists.)
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