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To: iowamark
praying that sins may be forgiven and that they may be granted eternal life.

I don't need this vicar at my funeral! I agree that a secular funeral is a missed opportunity to evangelize. However, my eternal salvation is assured and does not depend upon the attendees to pray for me. I am SAVED! I am "right" with God. The blood of Christ shed for me assures that I am already granted eternal life. As for when this salvation was secured? The Bible tells me that I was chosen "from the foundation of the world"!

Are you?

3 posted on 10/20/2009 2:43:34 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: the_Watchman
I agree - Requiem masses are essentially pagan. Having said that Fuare's requiem (an atheist to boot) is magnificant. But it don't do the dead no goood sir!

Never -the -less he has a point.

I have also had ‘Another one bites the dust’ requested. And 2 embarrassing moments when the wrong tape was played. Instead of My Way we got the Smurfs. All told a better and less idolatrous song.

4 posted on 10/20/2009 2:50:27 AM PDT by vimto (To do the right thing you don't have to be intelligent - you have to be brave (Sasz))
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To: the_Watchman

Why go for the current Catholic music, which is every bit as New Age-y as Tina Turner? Now, if this good priest is referring to a traditional Funeral Mass, then OK.
And, I notice it only took three posts for a Papist-hater to show up. Don’t let your children see the stuff you post; they already think you’re crazy.


5 posted on 10/20/2009 2:54:09 AM PDT by steve8714 (There's a straight line from John Wilkes Booth through Paul Robeson to Sean Penn.)
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To: the_Watchman
I don't need this vicar at my funeral! I agree that a secular funeral is a missed opportunity to evangelize. However, my eternal salvation is assured and does not depend upon the attendees to pray for me. I am SAVED!

That's called presumption and it's half-baked, "da Bible sez", Protestant theology.

When you die you will be judged as will every other soul. If you were already saved, there would be no need for judgment. St. Paul makes it clear that we must persevere to the end for as long as we have life in us, we have the capacity to sin.

The blood of Christ shed for me assures that I am already granted eternal life.

No it doesn't.

The blood of Christ opened the gates of heaven.

That salvation which is offered to us is contingent upon us cooperating with the the grace of God and living holy lives.

As for when this salvation was secured? The Bible tells me that I was chosen "from the foundation of the world"!

To God, all moments of time are present in their immediacy. When therefore he establishes His eternal plan of "predestination", He includes in it each person's free response to His grace. Nothing is imposed over our free will.

23 posted on 10/20/2009 6:11:26 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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