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To: topcat54; P-Marlowe

He says that both are part of the olive tree through Christ.

Is there any doubt that salvation through Christ automatically makes one part of the Church? (Baptism being the sign of initiation.)


39 posted on 10/20/2009 11:26:21 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe; Gamecock; Lee N. Field; Alex Murphy; raynearhood; Dr. Eckleburg
He says that both are part of the olive tree through Christ.

But unfortunately he ends up with a three-headed monster. He has the Church with two heads (Jews and gentiles) and then he has this other thingy of post-rapture Jews. The remnant has to live in two different heads. It’s an unnatural beast.

The way Paul describes it in Romans 11 maps directly into the (non-dispensational) view of God’s people encompassed entirely in one people of God, the Church (Eph. 2:15).

But, because Ryrie has this silly idea of a pre-trib rapture, he needs to adorn the imagery in Romans 11 with speculative nonsense.

And I’m still hard-pressed to believe that Ryrie ever describes the Jews who make up the Church as the “remnant of Israel”. That idea is so non-dispensational.

Is there any doubt that salvation through Christ automatically makes one part of the Church? (Baptism being the sign of initiation.)

None whatsoever. And the Church is the one and only continuation of the people of God in Scripture. There is no corporate entity beyond the Church in God’s plan of salvation.

48 posted on 10/20/2009 1:22:50 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Don't whine to me. It's all Darby's fault.")
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