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In Walthamstow, East London, Father David Waller sits on a green chair, a black and white cat draped across his knees, and offers a cup of tea. “This could be the most significant thing to happen to the English Church since the Reformation,” he says.

His cat is named Joseph — after Cardinal Ratzinger, who became Pope Benedict XVI, and there is a picture of the Pope on the wall. The Anglican priest is one of the hundreds considering defecting to the Roman Catholic Church after the Pope decreed that he would introduce a structure for accepting Anglicans. The 120-strong congregation of the parish of St Saviour is one of several considering moving over en bloc.

I'm still a bit confused. If they are so anxious to join Rome, why have they not done so sooner?

2 posted on 10/22/2009 6:57:04 AM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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Because joining Rome in the past meant complete upheaval and uprooting of their current existence. Additionally, a formal initiative implicitly guarantees a widespread support system they would not have had earlier. Now they don’t have to necessarily leave their flock, as a portion of their flock will likely convert as well. Furthermore, the Vatican, by doing this, has ingeniously provided political “cover” for the process to start, i.e., after a few trickle over, many more who are quietly in agreement will follow suit. The Pope has, in effect, “de-scandalized” the process.


3 posted on 10/22/2009 7:05:24 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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Because there was no provision, outside the United States, for a parish to transfer into the Anglican Use Rite lock, stock and barrel, or for its priest to be re-ordained.

The individual parishioners could convert, of course, as we did, but not the parish as a unit.

That Rite has now been expanded to include the rest of the world.

It may REALLY catch on in England. Much will depend on the Archbishop of Canterbury's willingness to let these folks depart with their property.

Since the Church of England is withering away, and has literally thousands of church buildings that it cannot afford to keep up, this shouldn't be a problem unless the Archbishop's pride gets in the way.

He looked like his dog died at that joint press conference.

4 posted on 10/22/2009 7:07:27 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - (recess appointment))
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I'm still a bit confused. If they are so anxious to join Rome, why have they not done so sooner?

Maybe they're not so anxious to join.

5 posted on 10/22/2009 7:10:05 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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Best wishes to the faithful clergy and laity of the Church of England in whatever they decide to do. They have the *nicest* churches. My brother’s father-in-law is a Church of England vicar, and he leads four churches in Norfolk and area, each an absolute gem.


7 posted on 10/22/2009 7:25:47 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Someday I will.)
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why have they not done so sooner?

The Rich Young Man

Behold, one came to him and said, "Good teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?"

He said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

He said to him, "Which ones?"

Jesus said, "'You shall not murder.' 'You shall not commit adultery.' 'You shall not steal.' 'You shall not offer false testimony.' 'Honor your father and mother.' And, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'"

The young man said to him, "All these things I have observed from my youth. What do I still lack?"

Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me." But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sad, for he was one who had great possessions. Jesus said to his disciples, "Most certainly I say to you, a rich man will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven with difficulty. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of God."

When the disciples heard it, they were exceedingly astonished, saying, "Who then can be saved?"

Looking at them, Jesus said, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

Then Peter answered, "Behold, we have left everything, and followed you. What then will we have?"

Jesus said to them, "Most certainly I tell you that you who have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on the throne of his glory, you also will sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Everyone who has left houses, or brothers, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, will receive one hundred times, and will inherit eternal life. But many will be last who are first; and first who are last.

Matthew 19:16-30

8 posted on 10/22/2009 7:27:48 AM PDT by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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As I mentioned on another thread this entire situation is “Much to do about Nothing”. The economic demands will temper the enthusiasm of all concerned. Some movement in Australia and New Zealand but that is it.

Concentrate and focus attention with establishing better relations with the Russian Orthodox. This is the area of most promise.They endured seventy years of communist subversion and have much to teach.

9 posted on 10/22/2009 7:32:20 AM PDT by bronx2
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Recall Newman's Apologia. In this case, the difference is less personal than communal. He is thinking of moving not just himself but his whole " family" into foreign territory. Helps if the "ruler" of this land is inviting them to immigrate as a community.
11 posted on 10/22/2009 7:58:26 AM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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Many of them received at least putatively valid orders from Old Catholics. So they had could remain orthodox, practicing a Catholic liturgy and accepting Catholic doctrine while in an irregular status, or else be completely subsumed under an English Catholic hierarchy largely overrun with modernism, the priest separated from his flock and told to report to a homosexual pastor perhaps dozens of miles away, and the people sent to the local parish mambo Mass—scandalous situations not conducive to Christian life.


12 posted on 10/22/2009 8:00:48 AM PDT by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a ObamaCare--or lose reelection)
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I'm still a bit confused. If they are so anxious to join Rome, why have they not done so sooner?

My guess is the banal liturgies that unfortunately characterize so many Catholic parishes.

13 posted on 10/22/2009 8:04:52 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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20 posted on 10/22/2009 9:38:28 AM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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