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To: kosta50
Now there is a new translation of the Missal coming out

So far, the only change I've heard articulated is the response to the Priest's blessing. We now say "And also with you." They are changing it to "And with your spirit." Funny thing, when I was a new convert we used to say "Et cum spiritu tuo". I don't know Latin, but I think that that means "And with your spirit." Hmmmm.

Of course, none of my children remember the old form. They were just babies. *sigh*

Another thing that I have noticed, having lived through Vatican II -- the people who are the most incensed with changes in the Catholic Church often are people who never were Catholics, or Catholics who left the faith years before. They get all in a snit about habits for nuns, or dropping Latin, or the priest facing the people, etc., etc., etc. It's as if they resent the church changing liturgical forms so that they no longer match their Hollywood interpretaion.

60 posted on 10/24/2009 9:17:52 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
So far, the only change I've heard articulated is the response to the Priest's blessing. We now say "And also with you."

So, you think it would take them years and God only a one-sentence change? You are goooood, really gooooood (remember "Analyze this?"). This is what I mean by pray-pay-and-obey crowd.

Funny thing, when I was a new convert we used to say "Et cum spiritu tuo". I don't know Latin, but I think that that means "And with your spirit."

So, you used to repeat something without knowing what you were saying? Congratulations! Did you bother to ask anyone

As a matter of fact it does mean "and with your spirit," because that's how the oldest liturgical records indicate the early Christians did. As to how could anyone come up with a translation such as "and also with you" says volumes about the post Vatican-II Church in America.

Of course, none of my children remember the old form. They were just babies. *sigh*

That was the point I was making. If every generation present in the church remembers a different "tradition," how are they to know if someone is simply innovating things and making his own "tradition?"

Another thing that I have noticed, having lived through Vatican II -- the people who are the most incensed with changes in the Catholic Church often are people who never were Catholics

How do you know they were never Catholics? And what exactly is a "Catholic" in your book? Perhaps they are incensed about changes because they know something you don't? Did you ever consider that as a possibility?

They get all in a snit about habits for nuns, or dropping Latin, or the priest facing the people, etc., etc., etc. It's as if they resent the church changing liturgical forms so that they no longer match their Hollywood interpretaion.

Everything in the Church has a theological reason. Introducing personal preferences and taste, changing according to the lastets trends, etc. does not. It concentrates on ego, materialism, and things the Church never taught. The Church is not a worldly or social movement.

61 posted on 10/24/2009 11:12:19 AM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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