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To: stfassisi

*I* was wearing the ring, not the Bishop. My story is true and I personally could care less if you believe it.

I’m also fairly certain Christ didn’t pass anything to his disciples to put in the Bible that you can’t be a Freemason. Though I’m sure you are referring to the Pope. $20 says you were trying to trap me with that one.

My Priest is aware of the Church’s view on the Fraternity, but he, like myself, chooses to use sound judgment. I am sure you will disagree with that as well. Fair enough. Disagree away.

lol at you calling me an impostor.

I am sure that you gouge out your eyes for looking at beautiful women (or men if that’s your way) and follow every letter of the bible, know each Papal decree equally follow them to the T. I am sure you also agree with everything the church has decided and done over the years.

This includes: the following decrees “There is but one universal [”Catholic” means universal] Church of the faithful, outside which NO ONE at all is saved. (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)

We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff. (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull, Unam Sanctum, 1302.)

” The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes, and preaches that NONE of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics [Protestants] and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, UNLESS before death they are joined with Her” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441).

Amongst others. Do you believe these decrees? Do you inform your family, friends and other loved ones that may not be Catholic that they will burn in eternal fire? OR do you disagree with these decrees?

Depending on your answer I say YOU are the impostor. Do some research, look inward and tell me you agree with all the Church has said and done over the years and that you follow EVERYthing in bible to the letter, including the treatment of women know of and follow every decree made by Papal past and THEN I will accept your judgment.


206 posted on 05/01/2011 6:51:09 PM PDT by MAK1179 (Obama in SPELLCHECK corrects itself to Osama...coincidence?)
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To: MAK1179

“”I’m also fairly certain Christ didn’t pass anything to his disciples to put in the Bible that you can’t be a Freemason.””

Catholic’s don’t believe Bible alone,that’s protestant. Do you realize this?

The Church can issue infallible statements given by Christ that is not in the Bible.
Being a freemason is condemned by Pope Leo XIII ,Cardinal Ratzinger,Perfect etc..

If you are telling the truth about your priest saying he knows you’re a freemason and boasting about it on FR,you would have no problem giving me his name and parish by freepmail


207 posted on 05/01/2011 7:01:38 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: MAK1179
Friend, your position in this post is usually what we argue against with Protestants. I don't really wish to go through the Church's position on salvation and what a "church" is, but only to say, you're not helping the case that Freemasonry is not incompatible with the Church's teaching.

Personally I hope you go to the Church with these questions and become stronger in your faith. Perhaps this is not of interest to you or your disagreements run too deep.

What I don't understand is what do you get from Freemasonry that you cannot get in the Church or elsewhere without knowingly rejecting the authority of the Church?

208 posted on 05/01/2011 7:11:41 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: MAK1179

(Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441).

“”Pope Eugene was not speaking of the invincibility ignorant(your not one of them since you know the Church condemns freemasonry)””

You don’t know Catholicism.

This is what Pius IX says about Salvation of the Ignorant...
QUANTO CONFICIAMUR MOERORE from Pope Pius IX in 1863
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9quanto.htm

“There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments.”- Pope Pius IX

and...

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html

The Church is the “universal sacrament of salvation”,79 since, united always in a mysterious way to the Saviour Jesus Christ, her Head, and subordinated to him, she has, in God’s plan, an indispensable relationship with the salvation of every human being.80
For those who are not formally and visibly members of the Church, “salvation in Christ is accessible by virtue of a grace which, while having a mysterious relationship to the Church, does not make them formally part of the Church, but enlightens them in a way which is accommodated to their spiritual and material situation. This grace comes from Christ; it is the result of his sacrifice and is communicated by the Holy Spirit”;81 it has a relationship with the Church, which “according to the plan of the Father, has her origin in the mission of the Son and the Holy Spirit”.82


210 posted on 05/01/2011 7:24:21 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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