Rammell calls meeting for LDS elders only

Rexburg Standard Journal ^ | Dec. 22, 2009 | Nate Sunderland

[Colofornian]

IDAHO FALLS -- Idaho gubernatorial candidate Rex Rammell will be mixing what he calls doctrines from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints into his gubernatorial campaign in a series of meetings slated for LDS elders only.

In January, Rammell will kick off a series of special meetings targeted specifically at "faithful priesthood-holders of the LDS Church" to discuss the so-called "White Horse" prophecy.

The first meeting will held at the Hampton Inn in Idaho Falls between 7 and 8 p.m. on Jan. 19. Subsequent meetings will be held in Rexburg, Blackfoot, Pocatello, Twin Falls and Boise, and only men active in the LDS Church have been invited to attend.

"There is nothing secret about the meeting -- it's just the sacred nature of the things we will be talking about," said Rammell. "We are going to talk about (LDS Church founder) Joseph Smith's prophecy that the Constitution will be hanging by a thread and that the Latter-day Saint elders will step forward and save it.

"Only LDS elders are invited because I don't want people there that don't believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet. Any active member of the church is welcome to attend."

Rammell said that though LDS women were not invited because of lack of space, he hopes that the men will take the message home to their wives.

Rammell says the LDS Church isn't sponsoring the event.

The church had no comment on Rammell's meetings, and officials directed the Standard Journal to the church's political neutrality policy, which states that the church does not "endorse, promote or oppose political parties, candidates or platforms."

There is also question about the legitimacy of the "prophecy" to which Rammell is referring.

The Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research (FAIR) weighs in on the "White Horse" prophesy Rammell is referring to.

"The only accounts of the alleged White Horse prophecy were provided second hand, years after Joseph Smith died and can't be corroborated with other sources," said Scott Gordon, the president of FAIR. " For many people it is a faith-promoting rumor that been around for a long time -- it's a rumor that never dies."

FAIR has published an academic paper on the subject, which quotes LDS leadership on the validity of the prophecy.

FAIR is a nonprofit organization dedicated to providing well-documented answers to criticisms of LDS doctrine. The organization is not affiliated with the LDS Church.

In the past, Rammell has been criticized for using his faith to further his campaign.

In response, he cited his believe in freedom of speech.

"Religion has always played a significant part in the making of America and I believe it should be included today," said Rammell. "If there are LDS people that are offended by the fact that I would have an only LDS meeting -- I would have them come and listen to me before they criticize the contents of my speech."

Although Rammell's meetings are by invitation only, he says that if people would like to attend, they can contact him at (208) 716-2053 or by e-mail at rex@voterammell.com.

[Elsie]

Is FAIR saying that it is BOTH a false prophecy AND a valid one - I'm so confused.

Welcome to MORMONism!

Enjoy the artwork on our walls. If some of it seems shifty to you, just look at it real close and it will stop moving, but another location will then start to crawl on you.

(Kinda like FAIRLDS apologetics reasoning)

[reaganaut]

I’m so confused.

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Apparently so is FAIR.

[Elsie]

 

Some LDS believe it to be a prophesy from Smith, some don’t, and others (like me) are undecided if it came from Smith or if it really matters.

 

 

Quit thinking on your own and follow the Leaders!

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"Any Latter-day Saint who denounces or opposes, whether actively or otherwise, any plan or doctrine advocated by the 'prophets, seers, and revelators' of the Church is cultivating the spirit of apostacy..."

(Improvement Era, June 1945, p. 354)

 

 

 

Reinforced here......

 

MP3 File

This is the audio clip of Dallin H. Oaks, current Mormon Apostle leader, from the PBS documentary, "The Mormons", declaring unequivocally:

"IT'S WRONG TO CRITICIZE LEADERS OF THE (MORMON) CHURCH, EVEN IF THE CRITICISM IS TRUE."

 

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Don't criticize?

 

Dallin H. Oaks, Mormon Apostle 

 

 

 

And here:

 

Temple Recommend Questions:

 1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

 2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

 3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

 4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

 5 Do you live the law of chastity?

 6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

 7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

 8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

 9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other oblgations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

     Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?

     Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

 

[Elsie]

 

 

"Any Latter-day Saint who denounces or opposes whether actively or otherwise, any plan or doctrine advocated by the prophets, seers, revelators' of the church, is cultivating the spirit of apostasy. One cannot speak evil of the lord's anointed... and retain the holy spirit in his heart. This sort of game is Satan's favorite pastime, and he has practiced it to believing souls since Adam. He {Satan} wins a great victory when he can get members of the church to speak against their leaders and to do their own thinking."

"When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done. When they propose a plan--it is God's Plan. When they point the way, there is no other which is safe. When they give directions, it should mark the end of controversy, God works in no other way. To think otherwise, without immediate repentance, may cost one his faith, may destroy his testimony, and leave him a stranger to the kingdom of God."

Ward Teachers Message, Deseret News, Church Section p. 5, May 26, 1945
Also included in the Improvement Era, June 1945 (which was the official church magazine before the Ensign)

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"Always keep your eye on the President of the church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, even if it is wrong, and you do it, the lord will bless you for it but you don't need to worry. The lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray."

LDS President Marion G. Romney (of the first presidency), quoting LDS President (and prophet) Heber J. Grant "Conference Report" Oct. 1960 p. 78

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"The Lord Almighty leads this Church, and he will never suffer you to be led astray if you are found doing your duty. You may go home and sleep as sweetly as a babe in its mother's arms, as to any danger of your leaders leading you astray, for if they should try to do so the Lord would quickly sweep them from the earth."

Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 9, p. 289, 1862.

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"When the Prophet speaks the debate is over".

N. Eldon Tanner, August Ensign 1979, pages 2-3

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"I sat in this tabernacle some years ago as President Joseph Fielding Smith stood at this pulpit. It was the general priesthood meeting of April 1972, the last general conference before President Smith passed away. He said: 'There is one thing which we should have exceedingly clear in our minds. Neither the President of the Church, nor the First Presidency, or the united voice of the First Presidency and the Twelve will ever lead the Saints astray or send forth counsel to the world that is contrary to the mind and will of the lord'."

L. Aldin Porter of the Presidency of the First Quorum of Seventies (Ensign, Nov. 1994, p. 63)

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"Follow your leaders who have been duly ordained and have been publicly sustained, and you will not be led astray."

Boyd K. Packer (General Conference, Oct. 1992; Ensign, Nov. 1992)

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"The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray."

President Wilford Woodruff (considered scripture as it is canonized at the end of the D&C)

[reaganaut]

this prophesy was referenced over 20 times at general conferences between 1912 and 1963. Since these conferences happen twice a year, that means that over a 50+ year-span, these key top leaders took an opportunity to reference it at over 20% of these conferences during that time span.

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I don’t get why FAIR thinks people will by the “faith promoting rumor” excuse. It has been mentioned, discussed, etc since the early days of the LDS. I remember it being a specific topic of conversation in my classes at BYU when Bill Clinton was running for office.

[Domandred]

So by all those quotes you must be one that believes that Joseph Smith actually did make the prophecy and that you believe it.

That’s the only nibble you get troll because I think it’s funny.

[Elsie]

So by all those quotes you must be one that believes that Joseph Smith actually did make the prophecy and that you believe it.

So you concluded THIS?

HMMmmm... no WONDER you are a MORMON!

[Elsie]

That’s the only nibble you get troll because I think it’s funny. can't come up with anything to dispute what you've posted.

[ejonesie22]

BINGO!

We have a winnah!

[svcw]

Lack of space. That a LOL.
Get a bigger place and rent more chairs.

[ejonesie22]

[Tennessee Nana]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

To do all this...

the 1st Amendment would have to be abolished...

Gollies...

No saving the Constitution there...

But lots of destroying of the very heart of the COTUS...

BTW itis the Constitution of the UNITED STATES...

Not the World...

or the New World Order...

Or the New Religion...

Or the New Prophet...

or the Restored Anything...

How is that going to be handled ???

Did Joey Smith leave any instructions ???

And it is a governemnt by the people, men and women, of all colors, of all religions...

How is that going to be handled ???

Did Joey Smith leave any instructions ???

and the Constitution doesnt include a dictator/king

How is that going to be handled ???

Did Joey Smith leave any instructions ???

and all our leaders are elected, whether male or female, any color, any religion..

How is that going to be handled ???

Did Joey Smith leave any instructions ???

Hope the rock and the hat are still available...

[Tennessee Nana]

you must be one that believes that Joseph Smith actually did make the prophecy and that you believe it.
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Well kid the mormons believe it...

;)

[Tennessee Nana]

Lack of space. That a LOL.
Get a bigger place and rent more chairs.
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How many does that huge building in Temple Square hold ???

Why dont they use that one for this important meeting ???

Its just sitting there empty and useless...

[Tennessee Nana]

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?
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Ya know Elsie...

When I was sworn into the US military...

Nobody asked me ...

“Do you sustain Do you sustain the President of the United States and the members of the Senate and Congress. ?

Do you sustain the governor of your state and the other state and local government authorities ? “

[Psalm 144]

Shazzam! I can see a great South Park episode pitting Rammell on a white horse versus Farrakhan and the Mother Ship. I wonder which way Chef will go?

Anyway, I am betting on Thor for the win.

In the South Park episode anyway.

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PS - Hi, reaganaut! Merry Christmas to you.

[Colofornian]

Ya know Elsie...When I was sworn into the US military... Nobody asked me ... “Do you sustain Do you sustain the President of the United States and the members of the Senate and Congress? Do you sustain the governor of your state and the other state and local government authorities?“

(Nor are Presidents and governors "sustained" by unanimous votes, which curiously seem to be the case of Mormon "prophets")

[wintertime]

I understand that it wasn't just Joseph Smith who made this prophesy. Other LDS presidents have done so as well. I believe that Ezra Taft Benson was one of the latest who made this prophesy in his **own** name, not Joseph Smith's.

Hm...Personally, as a Protestant and non-Mormon, I am pleased to see **men** taking the Constitution seriously. I find that very hopeful.

[reaganaut]

LOL on the SP thing.

Merry Christmas to you as well.

BTW, you have freepmail!

[reaganaut]

Lack of space. That a LOL.
Get a bigger place and rent more chairs.

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Seriously. Sounds like he needs a new party planner.