Calling Mary “Mother of God” Tells Us Who Jesus Is

CE ^ | January 2, 2010 | Marcellino D'Ambrosio

[Kolokotronis]

Well, here's what we Greeks have done with Luke 1 for a devotion, the Akathist to the Holy Mother of God, the Chairetismoi. It was written in the 6th century by +Romanos the Melodist. We chant this on Friday evenings during Great Lent. Notice how the Archangel is himself in awe of Mary. This is no average, good girl. . http://lent.goarch.org/media/audio.asp?pageloc=akathist&play=true&title=The%20Akathist%20Hymn&location=/en/services/akathist/eikona/akathist_MSTR.mov#akathist "And I find the Immaculate Conception kind of strange....""

So do we Orthodox; so did +Thomas Aquinas. Given the West's concept of Original Sin, however, an argument can be made for it. The problem is that it makes the Theotokos something other than a human mother and thus deprives Christ of His human nature, a Christoloical heresy of ever there was one.

[Kolokotronis]

Well, here's what we Greeks have done with Luke 1 for a devotion, the Akathist to the Holy Mother of God, the Chairetismoi. It was written in the 6th century by +Romanos the Melodist. We chant this on Friday evenings during Great Lent. Notice how the Archangel is himself in awe of Mary. This is no average, good girl.

http://lent.goarch.org/media/audio.asp?pageloc=akathist&play=true&title=The%20Akathist%20Hymn&location=/en/services/akathist/eikona/akathist_MSTR.mov#akathist

"And I find the Immaculate Conception kind of strange....""

So do we Orthodox; so did +Thomas Aquinas. Given the West's concept of Original Sin, however, an argument can be made for it. The problem is that it makes the Theotokos something other than a human mother and thus deprives Christ of His human nature, a Christological heresy if ever there was one.

[the invisib1e hand]

Calling Mary “Mother of God” Tells Us Who Jesus Is, I guess, but it also may lend credence to the theory of evolution? ‘Cause a female gives birth to an offspring that is something other than herself?

Oy! Just oy! I don't know whether to laugh or curse!

If "the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom," I'll wager that the denial of Mary is the beginning of ignorance.

I pity, oh do I pity, the miniscule myopic mind that can't accept the most beautiful human being ever to walk this most unworthy soil.

Ave Maria!

[the invisib1e hand]

So do we Orthodox;

It's the most audacious, beautiful, heart-stopping, mind-boggling, mouth-shutting event in history. A God that does such a thing is the only being worthy of the term and truly "beyond anything you could ask or imagine."

The Immaculate Conception, the Incarnation, these stop cold all other god-stories. Period.

Amazing.

Hail Mary!

[aruanan]

The Immaculate Conception, the Incarnation, these stop cold all other god-stories. Period.

Well, the Incarnation does. The Immaculate Conception was a long-after-the-fact unnecessary fix to remedy a non-existent problem. Different forms of this have still been popping up through history, one of the more recent from the Institute for Creation Research's Henry Morris who proposed in the ICR Acts and Facts that the way to avoid passing the human sin nature through human flesh to the incarnate Christ was the creation, ex nihilo, in Mary of a perfect human body genetically unrelated to Mary and the rest of the human race. It was a perfect human body that could stand as the perfect Lamb of God for the sins of the world but had not, through inheritance, partaken of the "sin nature." This "remedy," too, was based on faulty assumptions about the nature of sin and its mode of transmission through the human race.

[the invisib1e hand]

see me other post. The one that begins with "OY!"

[the invisib1e hand]

OK; you are, at best, a Nestorian heretic.

How do you tell the difference between a "nestorian heretic" and a regular imbecil?

[esquirette]

“OK; you are, at best, a Nestorian heretic.

How do you tell the difference between a ‘nestorian heretic’ and a regular imbecil?”
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I think perhaps one or the other does not understand that “Mother of my Lord” as Elizabeth exclaimed in Luke 1 is not the same as Mother of the Triune God, which is what is implied by “Mother of God.”

I could be wrong, though. There might be more diagnostics available.

[the invisib1e hand]

There might be more diagnostics available.

Yeah, diagnostics. That's it. That'll get you wherever you wanna go.

[editor-surveyor]

"... namely that Mary is the Most Holy Theotokos."

A bit of unscriptural nonsense, and illogic.

The Logos was God from all time, and his human body, born through Mary was not what made him God, nor has it anything to do with why he is God. Mary was not Mother of any part of his 'Godness,' nor did she ever claim to be.

[Kolokotronis]

"The Logos was God from all time, and his human body, born through Mary was not what made him God, nor has it anything to do with why he is God. Mary was not Mother of any part of his 'Godness,' nor did she ever claim to be."

You've never read the Creed, have you?

[Petronski]

Nestorius!

[narses]

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[Petronski]

No great conundrum there: the NASB got it wrong.

[Kolokotronis]

"I think perhaps one or the other does not understand that “Mother of my Lord” as Elizabeth exclaimed in Luke 1 is not the same as Mother of the Triune God, which is what is implied by “Mother of God.”"

Upon what do you base the notion that +Elizabeth was not recognizing Mary as the Theotokos, aside from the ancient heretical teachings of Arius and/or Nestorius come to life in modern American Protestantism?

"I could be wrong, though."

Indeed you could be.

[Kolokotronis]

"It's the most audacious, beautiful, heart-stopping, mind-boggling, mouth-shutting event in history."

The Immaculate Conception????????????????

[malkee]

This painting is “Our Lady of Perpetual Help.”

[editor-surveyor]

Creeds are the work of sinful men, not the Word of God.

[editor-surveyor]

If you should ever become a member of the Body of Christ, you will see how feckless and irrelevant the classifications you live by are.

[Petronski]

If you should ever become a member of the Body of Christ, you will see how feckless and irrelevant the classifications you live by are.

How deliciously judgmental. Or is it just mental you were going for?

Either way, bravo!