Catholic vs. Presbyterian

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[Gamecock]

Well said Lupie.

I have pointed out before that the Catholicism of the 3rd world is unrecogizable when held up next to FRoman Catholicism. Even in some border areas of the US Roman Catholicism is down right pagan, well more so than usual anyway. ;-)

[lupie]

I find it very interesting that of the over 40 posts, only about 1.5 actually are a discussion about the article. Almost all others are just to launch attacks for what they perceive to be someone’s motives or beliefs without ever addressing the article. Really, only one does. The other quotes a line but uses it to launch a mini attack. Very telling. Very..

I think it speaks a lot of each individual as to what/who they choose to spend their energies defending —an organization, or the person of Christ Jesus and His Truth, He who is the Word made flesh.

[Diamond]

"He that will not honor the memory and respect the influence of Calvin knows but little of the origin of American liberty." - George Bancroft

Cordially,

[mlizzy]

Didn't Martin Luther "change things" when he put the little word "alone" after faith which has caused an enormous amount of bickering and confusion (however, he eliminated the Eucharistic power of Christ, so maybe ML's actions were based partly on that -- works became too tough without being "fed" by the literal Jesus -- so dump them?).

In regard to Mary as The Immaculate Conception, please read about St. Catherine Laboure and St. Bernadette at Lourdes. Is there any better proof than Mary herself saying, "I am the Immaculate Conception"?

And as far as Christ being symbolic in the Eucharist, please see the Miracle of Lanciano. Christ said "This is my body," not "This is a symbol of my body." And Lanciano backs up His words nicely. The Word takes you just so far; then His Flesh must be included if you are going to win any fierce battles in life ... in an effort to become a betterment to the world, and not bitter.

[verdadjusticia]

Matchett-PI wrote:
Each Catholic has his own beliefs, each Catholic is his own church of one:

Monday, November 10, 2008
Biden’s bishop

On Nov. 4, one of Bishop William Francis Malooly’s parishioners, Joe Biden, was elected the nation’s first Catholic vice president. With Biden’s support for some legalization of abortion, U.S. Catholics.....

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Verdadjusticia ANSWERS:

Joe Biden, Edward Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, child molesting clerics are/were Catholic in name only. They have lost the Faith, just like all other falset Catholics who do as they please with their morals. They have become Protestants picking and choosing what they like and disregarding what they don't like.

The difference is that the Catholic Church has doctrines which are unchangeable, and thus, false Catholics like those have never been able to change the Church in 2000 years. False Catholics, reprobates like those above, come and go, but the Church has not changed it's doctrines.

The difference with Protestants is that Protestant people just like the above, started to daily change their church the day after Luther revolted, they revolted against Luther, and kept doing it over and over, till today there are no doctrines in Protestantism, each Protestant is his own church of one.

The difference is in adherence the doctrines, it is not about the people that you see around you that call themselves Catholic. Anyone that was baptized in the Catholic Church as an infant can “call” themselves Catholic. Calling oneself Catholic means nothing.

[verdadjusticia]

Gamecock wrote:
I think it speaks a lot of each individual as to what/who they choose to spend their energies defending —an organization, or the person of Christ Jesus and His Truth, He who is the Word made flesh.

verdadjusticia ANSWERS:
That is your personal opinion of one. Christ Jesus and His truth NOT! You are giving your own opinions and calling them truth.

The Catholic Church in 2000 years has confronted and decided pretty much every question that one could come up with.

So-called Protestantism (which is not a religion or an organization)has not decided on an definitive answer to ONE SINGLE QUESTION! In almost 500 years it still has not even decided if Jesus Christ is God, or if you must be baptized to be saved.

[verdadjusticia]

CORRECTION:

Lupe wrote:
I think it speaks a lot of each individual as to what/who they choose to spend their energies defending —an organization, or the person of Christ Jesus and His Truth, He who is the Word made flesh.

verdadjusticia ANSWERS:
That is your personal opinion of one. Christ Jesus and His truth NOT! You are giving your own opinions and calling them truth.

The Catholic Church in 2000 years has confronted and decided pretty much every question that one could come up with.

So-called Protestantism (which is not a religion or an organization)has not decided on an definitive answer to ONE SINGLE QUESTION! In almost 500 years it still has not even decided if Jesus Christ is God, or if you must be baptized to be saved.

[esquirette]

Actually the comment was quite relevant.

When Jesus responded to the authorities who questioned His diety, He was answering them by using their own words (”Thou has said it.”), though they did not believe in the truth of what they had said.

When I quoted Jesus words, it was in the same context and meaning. The poster had essentially quoted an older version of the Westminster Confession which acknowledges that Christ is the only head of the Church, and the papacy is antichrist.

When the poster stated that I had borne false witness, I succinctly explained the context, which was entirely on point.

I no more bore false witness than did Matthew.

[Uri’el-2012]

The AP article above discusses the raw numbers from three companies that insure the majority of Protestant Churches in America (Church Mutual, Guide One, and Brotherhood Mutual), and typically receive 260 reports/yr of people under 18 being sexually abused. Compare that with ~ 228 accusations/yr against Catholic clerics since 1950 (documented abuse records).

The Roman church has a long history of pedophilia.

It is called castrati

In Constantinople around 400 AD the empress Aelia Eudoxia had a eunuch choir-master,

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[RobbyS]

Well, “the Church” is not going to be judged collectively,nor is Israel, not at least according to the Bible. Rather, it is we who shall be judged.

[esquirette]

“The truth can be disappointing to some and seem like insults. See the chart above, by Presbyterians, demonstrating the fractured nature of Presbyterianism.”
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All of those Presbyterian groups respect and adhere to the Westminster Confession, just as all the RC groups adhere to and respect the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

There is no truth value in epithets, stating simply that a group is ‘fractured,’ particularly when it is not the whole truth to so state.

[Gamecock]

yet your posts are directed exclusively at just one of them.

Wrong.

I have posted about the other denominations in the past. It's just that the Roman Catholic church tends to have more headlines.

As far a my "title", posting rules on FR require when posting from other sources that we maintain the original title.

[narses]

Some questions Gamecock, what does the Presbyterian variety you claim as the One True Church teach about:

Divorce?
Contraception?
Women in the Ministry?
Homosexual conduct?
Homosexual ‘marriages’?

[esquirette]

“Well, “the Church” is not going to be judged collectively,nor is Israel, not at least according to the Bible. Rather, it is we who shall be judged.”
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This is precisely my point. As has been said of the legal business:

“A good lawyer knows the law. A great lawyer knows the judge.”

We are to stand and give an account on our own, not with the church giving account for us. We must know where we stand with the ultimate Judge.

[wagglebee]

I find it very interesting that of the over 40 posts, only about 1.5 actually are a discussion about the article.

And this surprises you?

Do you actually think what's in the article is more important than the oh so provacative title? The article could be about different styles of pews in Catholic and Presbyterian churches and it wouldn't change the content of the thread one bit.