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Jennifer Lopez Down on In Vitro - So Why is IVF Contrary to Pro-Life Values
LifeSiteNews ^ | January 7, 2010 | Hilary White

Posted on 01/09/2010 1:49:01 PM PST by GonzoII

Friday January 8, 2010


Jennifer Lopez Down on In Vitro - So Why is IVF Contrary to Pro-Life Values

Commentary By Hilary White

January 7, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) - I have to admit that when I hear the name Jennifer Lopez, traditional morality is not the first thing that springs to mind. Perhaps I'm being too hard on the girl, but I'm afraid the first thing I usually think of is the rather succinct but apt expression of a friend of mine: "pop-tart".

And certainly, for a young woman who spent, as she says, all her school years going through the New York City Catholic education system, one has to wonder if she skipped school every time the issue of modesty was discussed. So it was a pleasant surprise to see today that she refuses to participate in one of the greatest moral disasters of the modern era.

Today Elle magazine issued an interview with Mrs. Marc Anthony in which she avers her moral objection to artificial methods of procreation. Jennifer told Elle, "When it comes to family and relationships, I'm quite traditional. Just because of the way I was raised ... And I also believe in God and I have a lot of faith in that, so I just felt like you don't mess with things like that."

Her remarks come after she has finished filming a movie, "The Back-Up Plan," the plot of which revolves around artificial insemination by an anonymous donor.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, the response from the celebrity-watchers on the internet has been blank incredulity. One commented, "Jennifer Lopez is more delusional than we thought," and said she "can't help the crazy-talk".

"Crazy-talk". Yep, that about sums up the world's opinion about any moral objection to, well, really to anything on offer in modernity's bountiful sexual and procreative caffeteria.

And I'm afraid I have to fault Mrs. Anthony's explanation: "I'm traditional." "It's the way I was raised." "I believe in God."

Yes? And? It seems a disappointing result of a lifetime in Catholic schools that Jennifer can give nothing more than a vague hand-wave toward a reasonable objection. Why, specifically, we might ask, does belief in God mean an objection to IVF? What does being "traditional" have to do with infertile couples acquiring babies by whatever means is medically available?

And indeed, when on the rare occasions the news leaks out that the Catholic Church objects to artificial procreation, the response is usually the same kind of incredulous mockery. "What is it with these Catholics anyway? I thought that bad old Catholic Church wanted women to have as many babies as possible. There's just no pleasing them." But there I am in the fourth sentence above unblushingly calling artificial procreation "one of the worst moral disasters" of our time.

We might not, however, be able confidently to fault Jennifer's apparently total lack of solid reasoning behind her assertion.  She's "speaking from the heart," which is what she's trained to do. But more importantly, the moral objections to in vitro fertilisation, with all the constellation of procedures now available in fertility clinics, are among the best kept secrets of the pro-life movement and of the Catholic Church.

The idea that there can be sound reasons, based on hard medical and scientific facts, behind moral objections to anything is one that the modern mind has great difficulty grasping. And the Church in many places has not helped by keeping the focus of the moral law set strictly to "soft" and largely failing to present the straightforward reasons against IVF and related evils. For this reason, even people who are steadfastly pro-life on the black-and-white issues like abortion and euthanasia, tend to be left tongue-tied and easily swayed on the more difficult and complex topics.

Jennifer's objections to IVF are similar in tone to those often given by perfectly sincere pro-life people on a range of issues, including abortion, and they do indeed come from the heart. But if we are to make a reasonable, winnable, case for our position, there has to be more than the soft-focus, emotional, instinctive response from the heart, however correct it might be.

For this reason, LSN will be launching a series of columns by myself and others giving what we call "Pro-Life 101" answers to the common objections of our opponents. These, we hope, will allow readers to make a reasonable case, based on facts and sound reasoning, on a range of topics that people often find difficult to defend coherently. We hope our readers will be pleasantly surprised by how essentially uncomplicated the morality of such issues as IVF can be, despite their great scientific complexity.


The Reasoning Behind the Objections to IVF

Here, therefore, in a nutshell, is the reason why the Catholic Church, the pro-life movement and even people of vaguely "traditional" moral beliefs like Mrs. Anthony, object to artificial methods of procreation.

The first principle of what I have elsewhere dubbed "the early life issues" is that a human being, whole, entire and complete, is fully in existence from the first moment of the fusion of the genes from ovum and sperm, what is often called "conception". And by "a human being," I mean just that. A person, like you or me or Jennifer Lopez or the bus driver or milk man or anyone.

It is simply a myth, generated by the abortion industry, that "science does not know when human life begins". This myth can be refuted by opening any first-year university text on human embryology. They all agree that the zygote, the human embryo at the first, single-cell stage of existence, is fully a human being. It is genetically distinct from the mother, it is either male or female, it respirates and consumes nutrients separately, it has every part of the genetic make-up of the adult and its growth is ordered according to that genetic information. It is the same being as the foetus, the infant, the child, the adolescent and the adult it will potentially become. The zygote, therefore, is not a "potential human" it is merely a "potential adult," as I am a potential little old lady.

The second principle is the same for all issues of interest to the pro-life movement: "You can't kill people to solve your problems." IVF and almost all the treatments available in fertility clinics necessitate the deaths of many human beings at the embryonic stage of life. Typically, IVF treatments involve the creation and destruction of dozens of human embryos to get one positive result.

So, of first importance, is that IVF and related activities, kills people. Lots of people. They just happen to be very small and unrecognised as persons by most laws.

Second to these considerations is that IVF does harm to the integrity and rights of the child. As the Catholic Church put it in its seminal document Donum Vitae ("the Gift of Life"):

"The child has the right to be conceived, carried in the womb, brought into the world and brought up within marriage: it is through the secure and recognized relationship to his own parents that the child can discover his own identity and achieve his own proper human development."

This simple, clear statement is the key to the whole puzzle of why there is a moral objection to artificial procreation. Artificial procreation techniques may indeed result in giving some couples children they wouldn't otherwise have, but the cost is too high.

Ethically, the bottom line is that the effort to force the creation of a child by these techniques ignores the genuine rights of the child in favour of the supposed rights of the parents. It essentially places the child into the position of chattel, of a thing, an object that can be demanded as a right in order to fulfil the personal desires of adults. It is the ultimate commodification of the human person, to say that if we hold the "right to be a parent" as paramount, that a child must be procured, by hook or by crook, to satisfy that desire.

The fact that we can now go to the IVF store and buy a baby, in most countries whether we are married or not, is the final expression of the dehumanizing effects of the abortion mentality. IVF has made the child into the ultimate high-end luxury product.

All this, of course, is just for starters. The subject is broad and interesting, but if you are just a regular person like me, without degrees in philosophy or human embryology and without a great deal of time for study, it does not have to be difficult to understand and to articulate the pro-life objections to artificial procreation techniques.

These techniques violate the rights of a person so created to be conceived naturally in marriage, to be gestated by his mother, to be born, and to live. It does not have to be more complex than that.

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Madness!
1 posted on 01/09/2010 1:49:02 PM PST by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII

Consistency. If life begins at conception, which the pro-life movement believes it does, then the destruction of embryos conceived through in-vitro processes is the destruction of human life.


2 posted on 01/09/2010 1:51:13 PM PST by Blogger
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To: GonzoII

3 posted on 01/09/2010 1:52:09 PM PST by Perdogg ("Is that a bomb in your pants, or are you excited to come to America?")
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To: GonzoII
Here, therefore, in a nutshell, is the reason why the Catholic Church, the pro-life movement and even people of vaguely "traditional" moral beliefs like Mrs. Anthony, object to artificial methods of procreation.

Sorry Rome! Many of us in the pro-life movement nevertheless support IVF in cases where the natural method doesn't work. If you keep shoving your cultish BS on top of our common struggle to end abortion, you will only drive more people away.

4 posted on 01/09/2010 1:52:11 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: GonzoII

For every one baby IVF produces, it murders several babies.

IVF is simply Mass Marder Abortion.


5 posted on 01/09/2010 2:03:07 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Clemenza
"cultish BS"

The subject here is murder, among others.

6 posted on 01/09/2010 2:04:57 PM PST by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: Clemenza
"drive more people away."

So what?

7 posted on 01/09/2010 2:06:23 PM PST by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: GonzoII

If you drive more people out of the pro-Life camp by tying it to Rome’s dictates, you will see a more ineffective movement and defeats to dwarf those of the 1970s and 1980s. When the pro-life movement was identified with clinic bombers and Randal Terry, it had little success. The rise of ultrasound, along with a more inclusive pro-life movement has served to turn the tide, and we shouldn’t go back to the bad old days in the name of magisterial purity.


8 posted on 01/09/2010 2:09:21 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: GonzoII

I thought Jennifer Lopez used artificial means to get pregnant? she had different sex twins, and in this day and age it seems most people get them from artificial means.


9 posted on 01/09/2010 2:09:56 PM PST by Ballygrl
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To: GonzoII

I think Jennifer’s response was adequate: she is repulsed by the idea. That was my reaction when they first started doing it: This is animal husbandry, and people and cows are not the same.


10 posted on 01/09/2010 2:12:02 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Clemenza
"If you drive more people out of the pro-Life camp"

I'm not interested in compromise with the TRUTH for political gains or any "solidarity".

11 posted on 01/09/2010 2:15:05 PM PST by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: Clemenza
I disagree. They fertilize several eggs generating people. Do you not value the children that don't "take" on implantation? Or the ones that are frozen? And may be destroyed later?

They don't look enough like you to be of value? Is that it?

12 posted on 01/09/2010 2:17:13 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: wagglebee

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13 posted on 01/09/2010 2:18:41 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Clemenza
Then why not logic? The method requires the “fertilization” of more than one embryo, and those who are not used to go into the freezer. Plus you effectively remove the father emotionally from the picture. He is just a sperm donor.
14 posted on 01/09/2010 2:19:09 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Ballygrl
Jennifer Lopez Says Her Faith Stopped Her From 'Messing' With IVF

Lopez, 40, ended up having fraternal twins Emme and Max in 2008 through natural methods.

15 posted on 01/09/2010 2:21:20 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Clemenza
f you drive more people out of the pro-Life camp by tying it to Rome’s dictates,

P.S. to post 12. I'm not Catholic.

16 posted on 01/09/2010 2:23:25 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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17 posted on 01/09/2010 2:28:27 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: DJ MacWoW; RobbyS; GonzoII; trumandogz; Blogger

Placemarker ... listening to such wise fellow freepers!


18 posted on 01/09/2010 2:30:17 PM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: Clemenza

I am not a Roman Catholic but I don’t see why this is nothing but “Rome’s dictates.”

Do you or don’t you believe human life begins at conception?

If you don’t, well, then you have not problem with IVF.

But if you do - you object to it. I object to it. And I am a conservative Presbyterian.


19 posted on 01/09/2010 2:30:59 PM PST by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: GonzoII
How dare you people put down the only way some loving conservative families can have children?? I am so tired of this on FR.

You are deceiving many, saying that embryos are destroyed by IVF, and that is NOT TRUE.

It is possible for someone doing IVF to CHOOSE to destroy embryos that could become humans. Just as is it possible for someone NOT doing IVF to choose to destroy their unborn baby.

Remember that most human embryos, in a woman's body post-conception naturally, as well as those created in the lab, WILL NEVER BECOME A BABY. Why? Because they are aneuploid. They are chromosomally abnormal enough to fail either before implantation in the uterus or soon thereafter. They are incompatible with making it into the 2nd trimester of pregnancy. They will be early miscarriages or simply never get started at all.

Depending on each woman's own age and individual, unpredictable egg quality, she has 40 to 95% aneuploid (bad) eggs. Chromosome problems do not usually come from the sperm; it's egg quality that overall determines embryo quality. Only a few aneuploidies allow life, like Down Syndrome. By far most abnormalities do not allow a 2nd trimester of pregnancy.

In a normal married young woman, having marital relations frequently for a year, she may not become pregnant. Or she might. But it is possible that the 12-13 eggs readied that year (one a cycle) weren't good. There were embryos created each month, perhaps, but none made it. They self-destroyed. This happens more and more often as a woman gets older. But even women in their 20s are turning up with severe POF (premature ovarian failure, or early bad eggs).

In IVF, a woman is given a fertility drug, really just a hormone that boosts the ripening of 10-20 eggs in a month instead of just one. These eggs are retrieved and then fertilized in the lab by her husband's sperm. Imagine that they end up with the same 12-13 fresh embryos. Then they grow the embryos to the 5-day or blastocyst stage. By doing so, it helps to pick the ones that might be competent to make a baby. In our example, by day 5 there are only 2 still going, because this couple was already having trouble conceiving or they wouldn't have gone in for IVF.

The other 10 embryos did not make it. They would never have made it, as with the couple trying naturally at home for a year. The surviving two are put back into the woman's uterus. She gets a positive pregnancy test. Sadly, two weeks later, she starts to bleed and cramp. Yes, her eggs are not good, and even those embies failed.

I am firmly pro-life and pro-IVF. Anyone pro-life can request ALL embryos saved, frozen, and then used later or donated to another family to give them the chance at life.

The above example shows that NO EMBRYOS ARE DESTROYED doing IVF. Most embryos in the world will NOT make a baby; they cannot. They self-destroy because they are incompetent; they are aneuploid and cannot form a human.

A woman is able to request that her extra embryos be destroyed. Just as a woman is able to have an abortion. But IVF technology is not a part of that. You can be fully pro-life and still embrace IVF, which allows many of us to have our families and is a blessing. Some of your religions do not allow it and that is fine. But IVF itself can be VERY pro-life. A lot of us would not be here without it.

20 posted on 01/09/2010 2:31:14 PM PST by Yaelle
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