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me ^ | January 11, 2010 | Judith Anne

Posted on 01/11/2010 8:46:31 AM PST by Judith Anne

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To: Salvation

I suspect there are two overriding contributors to that phenomenon:

1. Testosterone . . . and thereby . . . particularly with regard to REACTIVE ATTACHMENT DISORDERED childhoods for males and females with an extra chunk of testosterone . . . it quickly betcomes an ego thing.

2. DNA and the Thrill Seeking gene.

Milder exchanges are just not as interesting or as invigorating.


141 posted on 01/11/2010 11:18:34 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
the hubris reaches it’s zenith

I think "the hubris reaches it's [sic] zenith" when people stop addressing actual issues with facts and logic, and resort to making sweeping generalizations about the "compulsions" and other psychopathologies of their opponents.

And, oddly enough, this whole operation of psychoanalyzing others somehow escapes all strictures against "mind-reading". I'll never understand it.

142 posted on 01/11/2010 11:18:46 AM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: ArrogantBustard
It's so easy do derail honest debate by misrepresenting the other guy's beliefs.

I agree

But I have noticed sometimes people do not know what their church really teaches or do not understand what it means, so the representation is an honest one not a misrepresentation

143 posted on 01/11/2010 11:18:52 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Salvation; Religion Moderator

I’m curious about the RM’s perspective on the same issue(s):

I suspect there are two overriding contributors to that phenomenon:

1. Testosterone . . . and thereby . . . particularly with regard to REACTIVE ATTACHMENT DISORDERED childhoods for males and females with an extra chunk of testosterone . . . it quickly betcomes an ego thing.

2. DNA and the Thrill Seeking gene.

Milder exchanges are just not as interesting or as invigorating.


144 posted on 01/11/2010 11:19:18 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: narses
Further in the natural realm, ceremonials are important, ask any career military man. They help us to believe in the things they represent.

I would add the word "correct" ceremonies to your comment.

Wiccans have lots of ceremonies. Which of them is "important?"

145 posted on 01/11/2010 11:19:56 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7; Petronski; ArrogantBustard; narses; markomalley; MarkBsnr; Judith Anne
It is so easy to avoid an honest debate by calling the other a liar..

Perhaps you could clarify a bit.

Let's say that I make the following statement:
Calvinists say that, "Only those who faithfully adhere to Calvin's 'Institutes' are elect, all others are damned."

And to this you respond:
Where did you come up with statement, "Only those who faithfully adhere to Calvin's 'Institutes' are elect, all others are damned"?

And my response to you is
It can be found on THOUSANDS of OPC and PCA websites.

Now, I know full well that the statement, "Only those who faithfully adhere to Calvin's 'Institutes' are elect, all others are damned" cannot be found on any OPC or PCA websites, because I made it up.

So, here's my question, am I a liar or am I just trying to avoid honest debate?

146 posted on 01/11/2010 11:20:20 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Salvation; Religion Moderator

IF I’m at all aright about the two biggest causes . . . it will likely prove quite challenging to overcome such causes . . . either toward calmer dialogue generally on the open threads . . . or in terms of interesting folks in the calmer category threads.

I’m curious about the RM’s perspective on the same issue(s):

I suspect there are two overriding contributors to that phenomenon:

1. Testosterone . . . and thereby . . . particularly with regard to REACTIVE ATTACHMENT DISORDERED childhoods for males and females with an extra chunk of testosterone . . . it quickly betcomes an ego thing.

2. DNA and the Thrill Seeking gene.

Milder exchanges are just not as interesting or as invigorating.


147 posted on 01/11/2010 11:20:41 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
As long as it’s not a personal attack, SO WHAT?

Exactly..we are all entitled to an opinion

148 posted on 01/11/2010 11:20:47 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Quix
particularly with regard to REACTIVE ATTACHMENT DISORDERED childhoods

BINGO!!!!!!

I don't care what degrees one has, where one has been, what institution one teaches at, or what one teaches there ...

To attempt diagnosis of folks on a pseudonymous internet forum demonstrates precisely the "lack of humility" to which I have been objecting.

149 posted on 01/11/2010 11:21:50 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

My wife is a music teacher. We’ve switched churches because of the music — but not denominations. That’s an interesting reason for conversion.

We attended a small fellowship with about 300 members at one point. My wife’s father led worship about half of the time. He’s a musician by trade, and a reasonably good singer and guitar player. The pastor’s wife headed-up the music department, and led worship half the time as well. She was a very talented piano player, but couldn’t sing worth a lick. It was distracting.

For that reason (and a couple of others), we switched to a Houston megachurch with 50K+ members (Second Baptist, not Lakewood). The music is fantastic ... they have a very talented Christian rock group that does contemporary services, and a 120 member choir that does more traditional worship services. We’ve been there about a year-and-a-half.

The Pastor is brilliant and Biblical. His current series is called “Healing Broken America” — and is everything you would expect from a conservative patriotic Baptist minister.

This weeks sermon may be on the website (second.org — actually, I just checked, and it hasn’t been posted yet ... I may post an FR article when it is posted). I’d highly recommend it for any red-blooded conservative American (and especially for liberals). The sermon was primarily about what America (Washington, Wall St., etc.) can learn from the story of the Prodigal Son. One of the best he’s ever given.

SnakeDoc


150 posted on 01/11/2010 11:21:50 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Life is tough; it's tougher if you're stupid. -- John Wayne)
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To: wagglebee

Both ( hows that for being ecumenical )


151 posted on 01/11/2010 11:22:30 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Judith Anne

I will lock the thread so others can refer back to it if needed.


152 posted on 01/11/2010 11:22:50 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Please close this thread. It is a failure.


153 posted on 01/11/2010 11:22:50 AM PST by Judith Anne (Drill in the USA and offshore USA!! Drill NOW and build more refineries!!!! Defund the EPA!)
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To: RnMomof7; ArrogantBustard; narses; markomalley; MarkBsnr; Judith Anne; Petronski
But I have noticed sometimes people do not know what their church really teaches or do not understand what it means,

I have noticed that a whole bunch of anti-Catholics don't know what the Catholic Church really teaches and certainly don't understand what they do know, yet they still want to speak as if they are experts.

154 posted on 01/11/2010 11:23:03 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: narses

And a quick review of Scripture shows the words “ceremony” and “ceremonies” appear in the New Testament zero times.


155 posted on 01/11/2010 11:23:08 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7
But I have noticed sometimes people do not know what their church really teaches or do not understand what it means,

What was I saying about telling other folks what they believe?

156 posted on 01/11/2010 11:23:17 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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