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To: Ezekiel

[plsjr:] You dismiss the Gospels
[Ezekiel:] That is what you claim.

In your first post, you wrote:
[plsjr:] Jesus stated he was the "I AM", meaning He was God:
[Ezekiel:] No. God is One.

In the Gospels (no condescention intended when write for clarification that I believe you understand “the Gospels” are the first four books of the Christian Bible), Jesus’ disciples document His acts and words including where He identifies Himself as the savior prophesied in fulfillment of the scriptures and correlates Himself with the Creator.

You counter my statement: “Jesus stated he was the "I AM", meaning He was God:” saying “No. God is One.”.

Please explain to me why you wrote "That is what you claim". as opposed to either explaining what you meant or admitting my assertion that you deny the Gospels is true. (Parsing words betrays the intent to confuse and deceive – if that was your purpose, your forthrightness in this discussion is suspect.)


Also, from your first post:
[Ezekiel:] He kept emphasizing this but who listens. The Jews haven't fallen for the man-god trinity. And true prophets were abused/run off/slain for failing to deliver happy-happy-joy-joy messages. Nothing new under the sun.

By “He” I infer you mean God, and yes, in the Old Testament The Lord exhaustively identifies Himself (through His prophets) as the One True Living God. I believe He does this to differentiate His existence from the lack of existence of other human gods and from Satan and his minions. Regardless, God’s prophets also spoke of His Son who will rule as king:

Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

and
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

As far as "happy-happy-joy-joy messages" are concerned, this thread asks the question at the heart of the Gospel and is no joyful message for those who turn away (but IS a joyous message for those who have accepted and will accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior).
Christ's desciples were abused/run off/slain for delivering their message of doom for the unaccepting, does that make them true prophets?

A question derives from your reference to the Jews in the third person: are you a contrarian, a Jew, a Diest, or an Islamist, or what (some of your other posts seem to support and derive from Judaism)?


[plsjr:] We will each find out who is right when we die.
[Ezekiel:] That you are waiting for the truth to hit you after you die doesn't mean others are. You believe that you won't know until you die, yet you go ahead and teach. Not exactly credible.


I'm not waiting in order to find out; in my faith I know Heaven is my destination. You should have understood that, and with my next statement "My prayer is that neither of us find we were wrong when/if we meet our Maker..", you are the one straining credibility with the inference that I doubt.
I'm seeking God (and Jesus / the Holy Spirit) to do His will.
I’m concerned about your and others' incredulity because I believe God wants as many of His people as possible to accept His offer of salvation - He wants me among the many in His Church to encourage its acceptance.


[plsjr:] My prayer is that neither of us find we were wrong when/if we meet our Maker.
[Ezekiel:] In a universe run on truth and order, things must make sense. Opposites are not the same. Three does not equal one and so forth. Truth is its own defense and does not require a false sense of security in numbers.


Who’s” truth and order”, who’s “sense” applies, God’s or yours? I’m not worthy to presume my sense of right and wrong equal to God’s.
I have no problem believing God is capable of anything that is good, and no problem accepting that there is more than one element to His being.
I’m not the one obsessing about numbers.

Are you sure it’s not you seeking the security of the number ‘One’ to deny the deity prophesied about and claimed by Jesus Christ and the salvation it can provide you?


78 posted on 01/18/2010 4:32:08 AM PST by plsjr (<>< ... http://NewSpring.cc/webservice - check it out!)
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To: plsjr; Eagle Eye; Diego1618; Tzfat

Please explain to me why you wrote "That is what you claim". as opposed to either explaining what you meant or admitting my assertion that you deny the Gospels is true. (Parsing words betrays the intent to confuse and deceive – if that was your purpose, your forthrightness in this discussion is suspect.)

How hard is this? Geez, it is exactly that: what you claimed. So you assert something - that doesn't make it true. Why should I go on the defensive about what you believe?

As far as "happy-happy-joy-joy messages" are concerned, this thread asks the question at the heart of the Gospel and is no joyful message for those who turn away (but IS a joyous message for those who have accepted and will accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior).

That God is One (and not three) is no joyful message for those who turn away (but IS a joyous message for those who have accepted and will accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior).

Mark 12:28-34

28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

A question derives from your reference to the Jews in the third person: are you a contrarian, a Jew, a Diest, or an Islamist, or what (some of your other posts seem to support and derive from Judaism)?

It is quite apparent that you don't know me.

87 posted on 01/18/2010 6:18:21 PM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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