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To: Larry Lucido; who_would_fardels_bear; reaganaut; Godzilla; Tennessee Nana; ejonesie22; Elsie; ...
So instead...
...you hang out with us Christians here @ the so-called "apostate" BBQ???...
...all as 60,000 Lds missionaries go around the world...
...telling all Christians how "apostate" we are...
...along w/the umpteen spiritual generations of Christian before us...
...as we all carte blanche & retroactively, IMA, supposedly "abandoned" the faith a la the filtered voice of Joe Smith???

I suppose, Larry, if you don't like the smoky atmosphere here as we're BBQ'd alive by the Mormon world-wide contingent, you could always grab a Mormon shovel and try to bury us yet again in that one gigantic spiritual graveyard Joe Smith tried to dig for us back yonder...
...the problem's been that we just won't stay "dead..."
...ya see, Larry, the reality of our spiritual existence causes a rather, how shall I say this, "grave" problem for the average contemporary Mormon...
...you see, if they acknowledge that we & our ancestors are indeed true Christians, then why did the world ever "need" a Mormon "restoration" to come along???
If nothing was completely lost, if all Christians weren't buried away in some graveyard, then no restorer was needed...
...and if no restorer was needed, then Joe Smith's existence as what the Mormon Times has called the "first student of the church" was all unnecessary/superflous!

So, the Mormons just can't have all these Christians bouncing up out of their designated coffins. Elsewise the restoration was irrelevant: No dead Christian church, no dead Christians across the board, the so-called "restoration" itself then dies.

So the Mormons declare us dead everywhere they can...missionary-prompted doorbells & porches; the Lds official Web site; Lds curricula; its official Ensign mag; its historical books, etc. (They try to couch it using subtle language like "universal apostasy," but we know who "universal" is...kind of like when Obama talks about "universal healthcare"...we know who Obama has in mind for that, too!!!)

26 posted on 01/21/2010 8:23:35 PM PST by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it!)
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To: Colofornian
...the problem's been that we just won't stay "dead..."

You'd BETTER stay that way; or folks will think you've just shown up from HAITI!


And, if you AIN'T really dead; then how would a MORMON vicariously get baptised FOR you to give you yet one more chance at SALVATION?


 
"We know something about our progenitors, and God has taught us how to be saviors for them by being baptized for them in the flesh, that they may live according to God in the Spirit."
 
 
--LDS Prophet John Taylor,
Journal of Discourses, Vol. 14, 3/20/1870  (March 20,1870)
 


"...we are the only people that know how to save our progenitors, how to save ourselves, and how to save our posterity in the celestial kingdom of God;...we in fact are the saviours of the world..."
 
 
--Lds Prophet John Taylor,
Journal of Discourses, vol.6, p.163
 
 
 

On February 16, 1849, Brigham Young stated to the Twelve,

 “As God was, so are we now; as he is now, so shall we be.”

  "One of the greatest blessings of the restored gospel is the knowledge that we can become perfect, even as our Father in heaven is perfect.

  "We know that through living certain principles we can approach perfection.

  "In fact we are told that by taking the gospel to others and bringing them to repentance, by doing genealogy and temple work, and by living Christ-like lives, we can come to stand as saviors on Mount Zion.

  "By freely giving his life, Christ, and Christ alone, atoned for all mankind.

  "We have the opportunity of aiding others to accept his love and his sacrifice—the gift of the atonement—and thereby aid in the work of exalting the human family, becoming saviors on Mount Zion."

(Manuscript History.)

 





Becoming a savior for others is not an easy task...

http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=024644f8f206c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=078518e7c379b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1

 

46 posted on 01/22/2010 3:54:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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