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Interfaith fireside to focus on Christ
Mormon Times ^ | Jan. 24, 2010 | Michael A. Clifton

Posted on 01/24/2010 6:28:09 PM PST by Colofornian

KITCHENER, Ontario -- Every Christian church shares the objective of helping people to find faith in Jesus Christ. At this interdenominational "fireside" hosted by the Kitchener Ontario Stake, local clergy from the Mormon, Catholic, Lutheran and Mennonite faiths come together to share how the teachings and practices of their respective traditions help to fulfill that mandate.

Helping to show how Christians of divergent traditions share the common ground of faith in Jesus Christ, Kitchener Ontario Stake President James A. McBride, the Rev. Lloyd Oakey of Calvary Mennonite Church in Ayr, Ontario, Father Wayne Lobsinger of Blessed Sacrament Roman Catholic Church in Kitchener, and the Rev. Paul Hartig of St. John's Lutheran Church in Waterloo, will each provide brief presentations on the topic of "Finding Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ" based on their respective church's practices and

(Excerpt) Read more at mormontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Ecumenism; Mainline Protestant; Other Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: antimormonthread; catholic; christian; lds; lutheran; mormon
From the article: Every Christian church shares the objective of helping people to find faith in Jesus Christ.

(OK, this article assumes all the churches involved are "Christian." If Lds "prophet" Gordon B. Hinckley could go on CNN & tell Larry King that fundamentalist Mormons aren't Mormons, then why can't Lds accord the right for Christians to likewise establish some faith boundaries?)

From the article: Helping to show how Christians of divergent traditions share the common ground of faith in Jesus Christ...

Which "Jesus Christ?"

Have the organizers of this "fireside" ever considered, that Lds just might be referencing a different Jesus than the one of the Bible?

2 Cor. 11:4 -- "For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached..."

How is it that even Mormon leaders generically contend their is a distinct one? (Oh sure. They say they worship a "christ," but they maintain they worship a "different" Christ -- and on that, we as Christians agree):

"There are those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints do not believe in the traditional Christ. No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.” – LDS President Gordon B. Hinckley (LDS Church News, June 20, 1998)

IOW, the traditional Christ of whom Vujicic spoke @ BYU "is NOT the Christ of whom" Hinckley spoke.

Want more evidence?

“It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshipped by the Mormons.” – LDS publication, Ensign Magazine, May 1977, p. 26

Four years after the Hinckley quote above, he said the following: As a Church we have critics, many of them. They say we do not believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity. There is some substance to what they say. Our faith, our knowledge is not based on ancient tradition, the creeds which came of a finite understanding and out of the almost infinite discussions of men trying to arrive at a definition of the risen Christ. Our faith, our knowledge comes of the witness of a prophet in this dispensation who saw before him the great God of the universe and His Beloved Son, the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ. (Gordon B. Hinckley, "We Look to Christ", from April 2002 General Conference.)

So the Mormon official publication says they worship a different Christ...

The Mormon "prophet" said they speak about, believe and acknowledge a different Christ...

Christians say they worship, speak of and belief another Jesus...

So. We are all on the same page...so why is the Deseret News (and possibly this "fireside" group) so out of harmony???

1 posted on 01/24/2010 6:28:11 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

2 Cor. 11:4 — “For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached...”
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“There are those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints do not believe in the traditional Christ.

No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.”
– LDS President Gordon B. Hinckley (LDS Church News, June 20, 1998)

“It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshipped by the Mormons.” – LDS publication, Ensign Magazine, May 1977, p. 26


2 posted on 01/24/2010 6:37:06 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian

“He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be.”
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321

“It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,”
- Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670

Matthew 24:23-24
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.

Matthew 7:15
“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

Matthew 24:10-11
10. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other,
11. and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

Mark 13:21-22
21. At that time if anyone says to you, `Look, here is the Christ!’ or, `Look, there he is!’ do not believe it.
22. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect—if that were possible.

2 Corinthians 11:12-14
12. And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.
13. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
14. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

2 Peter 2:1
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.

1 John 4:1
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.


3 posted on 01/24/2010 6:43:41 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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So. We are all on the same page...so why is the Deseret News (and possibly this "fireside" group) so out of harmony???

Two factors

1. Gross liberalism of the other 3 churches participating

2. Gross ignorance of the other 3 churches participating

4 posted on 01/24/2010 7:55:51 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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