Posted on 01/31/2010 2:03:15 PM PST by NYer
Oh, for crying out loud. The "sign of Tammuz" theory is as credible as the Elders of Zion. Even if the Persians used the Roman alphabet, which they did not, the symbolism of the sign of the cross is obvious.
You wrote:
“Yah’shua removed the requirement of burnt offerings to cover sin.”
That’s not all.
“He as the slain Lamb of G-d propitiated for all sin,
if but we call on His NAME YHvH be my salvation.”
And that’s not all either.
“He then destroyed the temple and the need for a priestly class.”
A Jewish priestly caste - yes. Priests in the order of Melchizedek - no.
He is our High Priest of the order of the King of Righteousness.
Yah'shua did not create nor institute a priestly class
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
to perform magic and cannibalism.
Very good explanation. Thanks.
Hopefully settomg things straight. Thanks.
“The Roman Catholic Church has infallibly defined the interpretation of Matthew 16.”
And where exactly is infallibility of Biblical interpretation predicated of the Roman Catholic Church?
You wrote:
“Yah’shua did not create nor institute a priestly class
to perform magic and cannibalism.”
He established a priesthood based on His own to re-present His sacrifice on the Cross.
“He is our High Priest of the order of the King of Righteousness.”
Yep, and He has sent others as priests with the order of Melchizedek.
Yep, and He has sent others as priests with the order of Melchizedek.
Where Is That Taught in the Bible?, To coin a phrase :
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
You wrote:
“Where Is That Taught in the Bible?,”
First, where does the Bible say it must be explicitly stated in scripture to be true?
First, where does the Bible say it must be explicitly stated in scripture to be true?
If you do stand on the authority of YHvH, you stand on YOPO. On what authority do stand ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
And where exactly is infallibility of Biblical interpretation predicated of the Roman Catholic Church?
The Charism of Truth Handling: Infallibility
Jesus Christ was sent by the Father and was known as an authentic Teacher. Forty times in the New Testament, Christ is called “teacher” (didaskalos, also translated as “Master”). Twelve times Christ is called “Rabbi” (master, the address of teachers):
Mt 23:8, 10
As for you, do not be called ‘Rabbi.’ You have but one teacher, and you are all brothers. Do not be called ‘Master’; you have but one master, the Messiah.
Mt 7:28-29
When Jesus finished these words, the crowds were astonished at his teaching, for he taught them as one having authority, and not as their scribes.
Jn 1:17-18
... because while the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God. The only Son, God, who is at the Father’s side, has revealed him.
Jn 13:13-15
You call me ‘teacher’ and ‘master,’ and rightly so, for indeed I am. If I, therefore, the master and teacher, have washed your feet, you ought to wash one another’s feet. I have given you a model to follow, so that as I have done for you, you should also do.
The Gospels record Christ handing over to the Apostles his own mission, or divine office which he had as man.
Jn 17:18
As you sent me into the world, so I sent them into the world.
Jn 20:21
(Jesus) said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.”
Mt 10:40
Whoever receives you receives me, and whoever receives me receives the one who sent me.
Lk 10:16
Whoever listens to you listens to me. Whoever rejects you rejects me. And whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me.
Mt 28:18-20
Then Jesus approached and said to them, “All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.”
Christ is revealed instituting a perpetually enduring truth-teaching, truth-handling authority in the Apostles.
Mt 28:20
... teaching them (all nations) to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.
Jn 14:16-17
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate to be with you always, the Spirit of truth, which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it. But you know it, because it remains with you, and will be in you.
Jn 15:26
When the Advocate comes whom I will send you from the Father, the Spirit of truth that proceeds from the Father, he will testify to me.
Jn 16:12-13
I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now. But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth.
Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, throughout Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.
Roman Catholic Christians believe that Christ’s teaching authority and truth charism continues in His Body the Church in the successors both of Peter and then the apostles, and then to their successors: the successor of Peter in the Bishop of Rome, and the successors of the apostles, the episcopoi or bishops from apostolic time to the present.
“Roman Catholic Christians believe that Christ’s teaching authority and truth charism continues in His Body the Church in the successors both of Peter and then the apostles, and then to their successors: the successor of Peter in the Bishop of Rome, and the successors of the apostles, the episcopoi or bishops from apostolic time to the present.”
Yes, I know what Roman Catholics believe about this. My question is: Where do you find the basis for this belief in the Holy Scriptures? None of the citations you provide answer this question. Just because you want it to be so and say it is so, doesn’t make it so. Where is what you assert taught clearly and unambiguously?
Equating the Eucharist with cannibalism is both both perverse and evil. However, God did not create a requirement for scriptural attorneys to decipher every grammatical nuance in ancient languages in order to gain salvation. He gave us the Beatitudes. These satisfy His greatest commandment and the His second commandment. Nothing else is needed.
Where do you get the idea that the Holy Spirit opened a window of Apostolic influence and guidance with the Catholic Church just long enough to permanently establish Scripture in the compilation of the works you call the bible? Is that Scripturally supported?
He gave us the Beatitudes. These satisfy His greatest commandment and the His second commandment. Nothing else is needed.
No; He told us to hear the whole Word of G-d preached. It must be wonderful for those who believe that they are All those smug erudite self absorbed imperious individuals May you know : YOPO;
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
educated far above the masses to dismiss the creator of
the universe with a wave of the hand.
will be shocked when they are called to answer for how
they were false shepherds
leading the flock astray.
“Where do you get the idea that the Holy Spirit opened a window of Apostolic influence and guidance with the Catholic Church just long enough to permanently establish Scripture in the compilation of the works you call the bible? Is that Scripturally supported?”
So, the Catholic Church established the authority of the Holy Scriptures? No wonder that the Higher Critical method of Biblical interpretation has received welcome in Roman Catholic academic circles. It is little different than the hermeneutic you are suggesting. In either case, man stands over the Scriptures and tells God what he will or will not accept as truth.
No, I will stick with the self-authentication the Holy Scriptures accord themselves. They purport to be the very word of God given by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The Scriptures of the New Testament plainly claim to be the successor and indeed the record of the fulfillment of the Scriptures of the Old Testament. That is the plain, simple reading of the Gospels and Epistles. It is in complete accord with the teaching of Christ on this point, as it is on every point of doctrine.
If you will not listen to Christ, listen to Peter: “And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; KNOWING THIS FIRST, THAT NO PROPHECY OF SCRIPTURE IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.” (2 Peter 1:91-21) Don’t tell me what the Roman church says this means, that is to say, don’t give me its private (or in more contemporary language: personal, individual)* interpretation. For an interpretation to be non-private, non-individual, non-personal, i.e., the product of man’s judgment, it must be God’s own interpretation. In other words, Scripture interprets Scripture. The Author always knows, remembers, and keeps His own word. Was you go beyond this you do nothing more than engage in what is known in our day as deconstruction.
The teaching of SOLA SCRIPTURA, which is the very thing Peter is plainly saying in the citation above, stands against every attempt to deconstruct the Holy Scriptures and interpret them according to any other agenda than their own agenda, the Author’s agenda, which is SOLA GRATIA, SOLA FIDE, and, above all, SOLUS CHRISTUS. This is why Romanists continually, and unsuccessfully, attack this teaching the Holy Scriptures. Roman Catholic dogma, to use your terminology, will fail in many, many points when subjected to the judgment of Scripture alone. You know it and I know it. And thus you twist and turn and yet cannot escape what I said in reply #139.
Just read and understand what 2 Peter 1:19-21 plainly, clearly says.
* If you really want to get into the Greek text of this, we can do that. But you will not find any help there.
Go annoy someone else. We clearly do not share the same God. Your god is an exacting, demanding, vengeful, fearful, vindictive god of the Old Testament. My God is a compassionate, loving, forgiving God of the New and Everlasting Covenant, based in redemption and salvation.
You have no credible basis for telling Catholics what and how to believe and threaten the withholding of salvation for legalistic infractions. Such claims of spiritual superiority and self acclaimed favor in God's eyes is the true meaning of taking the Lords name in vain. Enjoy it for your three score and ten.
I’ll ask again, where does the Bible say it must be explicitly stated in scripture to be true?
Precisely, through Apostolic Tradition, unless you believe that Scripture was handed to man in stone tablet form directly from the burning bush. Sola Scriptura is an invention of, by, and for men who sought to deny Apostolic Tradition for personal gain.
2 Peter 1:19-21 teaches sola scriptura? It’s amazing to me how two people can read the same verse and reach different conclusions.
Beyond that, what do you (or anyone else) think more accurately defines the central notion of sola scriptura?
Private interpretation, or a rule of law that settles all dispute?
I mean really, you really don’t believe that inherrent to the very nature of sola scriptura is one’s own private interpretation? You really don’t believe if you “read the Bible for yourself”, there is never any danger of twisting it “to your own destruction”, via an “unlearned” approach?
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