Posted on 02/03/2010 5:29:33 PM PST by RGirard
Yes, absolutely. You'd be surprised at how much is inherited. Take, for example, a mother and child separated at birth, reunited 25 years later. The birth mother has had absolutely NOTHING to do with the child's development, yet gestures, likes and dislikes, pattern of speech are a carbon copy of her birth mother, with nothing at all similar to her adoptive mother. And I mean nothing. This is my firsthand experience, so don't tell me otherwise. It is truly amazing how environment has SO LITTLE to do with the overall person.
The better health channel?
Birth defects - ambiguous genitalia? WHAT does that have to do with being gay? Nothing.
Your post 36: Yes, I believe they are born gay.
My post 38: Based on what scientific data?
Born or Bred?: Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality Is Genetic
IF you don’t see the connection, then your in denial.
Just so I got it straight (no pun intended)...God can create birth defects such as what I mentioned, but cannot create people that are attracted to the same sex? You think kids in puberty have chosen to be gay?
Where is your proof that homosexuality is genetic.
I don’t have proof of God either....but logic and common sense proves otherwise...
God did not create birth defects. It is the result of teh fall of man.
You think kids in puberty have chosen to be gay?
I think kids in puberty are too young to decide that they're "gay".
Born or Bred?: Science Does Not Support the Claim That Homosexuality Is Genetic
The research is a decent piece of basic science and confirms what geneticists have long known must be the case: That the hormonal milieu that causes sexual differentiation between males and females is itself determined by genes, in mice as in men. This comes as no surprise.
But this research says absolutely nothing about homosexuality or transsexualism and any who claim it does are either ill-informed about genetics, or if not, are deliberately abusing their scientific knowledge and or credentials in the service of politics - in precisely the same way that Soviet-era geneticists such as Lysenko did - either in the naïve hope that distortion of the truth can produce a better society or out of fear for their career prospects. In either case they should be roundly rebuked for doing so.20
In 1993, a group of medical researchers at the National Cancer Institute (NCI) led by Dr. Dean H. Hamer released a study of 40 pairs of brothers that linked homosexuality to the X chromosome. The research, published in Science, reported that 33 of the pairs of brothers had DNA markers in the chromosome region known as Xq28.
The study won an enormous amount of media attention, and Hamer's own activities as a homosexual activist within NCI were ignored when Hamer offered interviews only when reporters agreed not to identify him as a homosexual.
But even Hamer tempered his enthusiasm about the research results.
We knew that the genes were only part of the answer," he said in a speech given in Salt Lake City. "We assumed the environment also played a role in sexual orientation, as it does in most, if not all behaviors.28
In a later interview, Hamer said, "Homosexuality is not purely genetic. … [E]nvironmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay. …I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."
You’re comparing God to homosexuality?
Logic and common sense says that homosexuality is a type of behavior yet some people seem to want to claim it is something else.
As I have said earlier please explain what other types of behavior we are born to have (pedophelia, beastiality, perversion, murder, violence, what else???) and have no control over.
Those who want to claim that homosexuality is a natural born trait seem to want to claim that we have no power over our sexuality at all and that we all are just born one way or another. That is a flat-out lie though.
Your "gut" isn't science. And feelings do not make something true.
You are insulting when I have NOT insulted you once.
He’s right - I went back and noticed that DJ MacWoW never insulted Fawn; good to see someone who can debate back and forth yet still remain civil
When I joined FR, I was taught that you posted facts with links, not insults. One cannot debate insults.
Here is yet another study where we cannot distinguish cause and effect. That is, brain structure changes with behavior, so... are the brain structure changes cause or effect? We don't know.
Also, the study says:
The mechanisms behind the present observations are unknown. In accordance with discussions about the sexual dimorphism of the brain, three factors have to be taken into account: environmental effects, genetics, and sex hormonal influences.And any credible scientist will tell you environment is the largest factor.
The study continues:
However, to attribute such effects to the present results would require a detailed comprehension of how specific environmental factors relate to the four groups investigated, and how they affect various cerebral circuits. In the light of currently available information this can only be speculative.The study continues:
As to the genetic factors, the current view is that they may play a role in male homosexuality, but they seem to be insignificant for female homosexuality. Genetic factors, therefore, appear less probable as the major common denominator for all group differences observed here.From my own studies, I agree with the above. As I understand it, male and female homosexuals experience same-sex attraction for completely different reasons. The article on which this thread is based states:
"Nevertheless, I truly believe the root of the problem is something that few people understand or believe in because they have never taken the time to explore the possibilities or the solution. I would like to point out that we have a nation of fathers who are, to say the least, irresponsible. Because of their irresponsibility, their lack of love, their neglect, their perversion, the family unit has crumbled ... because where the head goes, the body follows."I think there's a lot of truth to the above.
I'll take another look at the study tomorrow.
Discuss the issues all you want but do not make it personal.
“My son went to high school with identical twin brothers. One was straight, one was gay. If a person is born gay, how would you explain this?”
I don’t know. All I’m saying is that if I had the same urges for men that I have for women there is no way you, or anyone else, would stop me from being with men, no way.
I could not “control” the urge. There is no way at all that I could “choose” not to want women. It is an automatic and very powerful reaction to females.
I’m afraid I would literally lose my mind if I was forced to look upon it as a bad thing that I needed to change.
I don’t know about other men, but the sex drive is overwhelming. I married accordingly. I’m happy.
Add religion to this discussion and it gets impossible to sort out, unless the men who wrote the bible have the last say—it’s evil.
I think anyone who was sexually abused needs some kind of help with their trauma.
But those with no history of such trauma who are geared to want other men should be left alone, if that is what makes them happy.
I do not care who loves who—it’s none of my business. With all the ugliness in the world this is low on my list of things to rail against.
That goes until they try to call it “marriage”. Call it whatever you want but don’t call it marriage, which is about procreation and the families that result.
That’s my opinion, and I’m certainly not trying to offend anyone or challenge anyone’s opinions/beliefs on the matter.
How do you define "many"?
The information I've found indicates that there have been about 500 documented cases of true hermaphroditism in the history of the world. Babies who are born what is called "intersex" occur in every 8 out of 100,000 births (or 0.008%). I could find no information about whether such children grow up to be heterosexual or homosexual, this would lead me to conclude that they DO NOT become homosexual at any abnormal frequency.
What you describe as "many" is actually too rare to even be a factor in discussions of what leads to homosexuality.
Please remove the comment #168-—as it puts words in my mouth and twists my words to slander and harrass me.
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