Kristine Frederickson: Doctrine in hymns Mormon (OPEN)

Mormon Times ^ | January 24, 2010 | Kristine Frederickson

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Here is an opportunity to compare the LDS version of some well-loved hymns to the versions used by Christian churches around the world.

Note, mentions of the Cross are deleted from the mormon versions.

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A Christian version of Christ the Lord is Risen Today:

Christ, the Lord, is risen today, Alleluia!
Sons of men and angels say, Alleluia!
Raise your joys and triumphs high, Alleluia!
Sing, ye heavens, and earth, reply, Alleluia!

 

Love's redeeming work is done, Alleluia!
Fought the fight, the battle won, Alleluia!
Lo! the Sun's eclipse is over, Alleluia!
Lo! He sets in blood no more, Alleluia!

 

Vain the stone, the watch, the seal, Alleluia!
Christ hath burst the gates of hell, Alleluia!
Death in vain forbids His rise, Alleluia!
Christ hath opened paradise, Alleluia!

 

Lives again our glorious King, Alleluia!
Where, O death, is now thy sting? Alleluia!
Once He died our souls to save, Alleluia!
Where thy victory, O grave? Alleluia!

 

Soar we now where Christ hath led, Alleluia!
Following our exalted Head, Alleluia!
Made like Him, like Him we rise, Alleluia!
Ours the cross, the grave, the skies, Alleluia!

 

Hail, the Lord of earth and heaven, Alleluia!
Praise to Thee by both be given, Alleluia!
Thee we greet triumphant now, Alleluia!
Hail, the resurrection day, Alleluia!

 

King of glory, Soul of bliss, Alleluia!
Everlasting life is this, Alleluia!
Thee to know, Thy power to prove, Alleluia!
Thus to sing and thus to love, Alleluia!

 

Hymns of praise then let us sing, Alleluia!
Unto Christ, our heavenly King, Alleluia!
Who endured the cross and grave, Alleluia!
Sinners to redeem and save. Alleluia!

 

But the pains that He endured, Alleluia!
Our salvation have procured, Alleluia!
Now above the sky He's King, Alleluia!
Where the angels ever sing. Alleluia!

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Familiar version of Hark the Herald Angels Sing

Hark the herald angels sing
Glory to the new born King
Peace on earth and mercy mild
God and sinners reconciled

 

Joyful all ye nations rise
Join the triumph of the skies
With angelic host proclaim
Christ is born in Bethlehem

 

Hark the herald angels sing
Glory to the new born King

 

Hail the heaven-born prince of peace
Hail the Son of righteousness
Light and life to all He brings
Risen with healing in His wings

 

Mild He lays His glory by
Born that Man, no more may die
Born to raise the sons of Earth
Born to give them second birth

 

Hark the herald angels sing
Glory to the new born King

 

Hark the herald angels sing
Glory to the new born King
Peace on earth and mercy mild
God and sinners reconciled

 

Joyful all ye nations rise
Join the triumph of the skies
With angelic host proclaim
Christ is born in Bethlehem

 

Hark the herald angels sing
Glory to the new born King

 

 

So, when you hear the beautiful sounds put forth by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir listen, listen to the words.

You just think these are the hymns you know from old...but they are carrying the message that the mormon church is NOT the church of Christ, and specifically not the church of the Cross.

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[SZonian]

Amazing Grace anyone? Anyone? Nope, sorry. Why wouldn’t a song about the saving grace of Jesus Christ be included in the lds hymnal?

[LinnKeyes2000]

Fox,
I appreciate the clarification.

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Thank you.

[Zakeet]

[greyfoxx39]

I noted that Hie to Kolob wasn’t mentioned in the article, but Phelps was well represented with Praise to the Man.

[greyfoxx39]

What do you think of THIS phrase...God is our father, we have a heavenly pedigree, and we are innately divine.

Sounds very much like "procreation" meme that we don't see a lot of.

[rickomatic]

Amazing Grace anyone? Anyone? Nope, sorry. Why wouldn’t a song about the saving grace of Jesus Christ be included in the lds hymnal?


Further, we are here not just to know but to DO the gospel of Jesus Christ through service and charitable acts because knowing is not enough for eternal salvation.

Because, apparently, in LDS doctrine, His grace is not sufficient.

[SZonian]

I note that the lds version does not capitalize “He” or “His”, but does so for “Prince of Peace”.

[greyfoxx39]

It’s been a big thorn in my side that the FR mormons have a hard time capitalizing His and He when speaking of God and Christ, but will ALWAYS capitalize Church when speaking of their religion!

[Zakeet]

I noted that Hie to Kolob wasn’t mentioned in the article

Another interesting omission ...

Eliza Roxcy Snow gained renown for writing poetry. Many were set to music, with as many as 17 (IRRC) appearing in the LDS hymnal (I believe they have reduced the number to 7 or 8 in the current edition).

Many Saints don't know that Eliza was Joseph Smith's plural wife #15 on LDS Historian Todd Compton's famous list of Smith Concubines.

Even fewer Saints know that in 1842, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.

Eliza would marry Brigham Young after Smith's death. She died childless.

[SZonian]

I’ve learned to love that song and when I ask mormons about it, most don’t have an answer outside of “The GA’s are responsible for the hymns that are included.”

[colorcountry]

It’s been a big thorn in my side that the FR mormons have a hard time capitalizing His and He when speaking of God and Christ, but will ALWAYS capitalize Church when speaking of their religion!

Yep, and their constant meme of, "I love my Church," when "I love Christ" would be a much more appropriate response from someone who is indeed Christian.

[Zakeet]

What do you think of THIS phrase...God is our father, we have a heavenly pedigree, and we are innately divine.

It makes me want to vomit and it makes me intensely sad ...

Sickness: I get physically sick over one of the worst blasphemies ever recorded -- that Jesus and Satan are "half-brothers" and that Jesus was begotten when God committed physical intercourse (and thus incest) with his daughter, the virgin Mary.

And the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

Sadness: Much of Mormon theology is centered on the events in the Garden of Eden and the Fall of Man. Mormons should be experts on the topic. Yet Mormons attempt to become gods and thus intentionally duplicate the original sin.

[T. P. Pole]

Note, mentions of the Cross are deleted from the mormon versions.

Oh, really?

In Humility, Our Savior, no. 172

1. In humility, our Savior,
Grant thy Spirit here, we pray,
As we bless the bread and water
In thy name this holy day.
Let me not forget, O Savior,
Thou didst bleed and die for me
When thy heart was stilled and broken
On the cross at Calvary.

2. Fill our hearts with sweet forgiving;
Teach us tolerance and love.
Let our prayers find access to thee
In thy holy courts above.
Then, when we have proven worthy
Of thy sacrifice divine,
Lord, let us regain thy presence;
Let thy glory round us shine.

While of These Emblems We Partake, no. 173

1. While of these emblems we partake
In Jesus’ name and for his sake,
Let us remember and be sure
Our hearts and hands are clean and pure.

2. For us the blood of Christ was shed;
For us on Calvary’s cross he bled,
And thus dispelled the awful gloom
That else were this creation’s doom.

3. The law was broken; Jesus died
That justice might be satisfied,
That man might not remain a slave
Of death, of hell, or of the grave,

4. But rise triumphant from the tomb,
And in eternal splendor bloom,
Freed from the pow’r of death and pain,
With Christ, the Lord, to rule and reign.

Reverently and Meekly Now, no. 185

1. Rev’rently and meekly now,
Let thy head most humbly bow.
Think of me, thou ransomed one;
Think what I for thee have done.
With my blood that dripped like rain,
Sweat in agony of pain,
With my body on the tree
I have ransomed even thee.

2. In this bread now blest for thee,
Emblem of my body see;
In this water or this wine,
Emblem of my blood divine.
Oh, remember what was done
That the sinner might be won.
On the cross of Calvary
I have suffered death for thee.

3. Bid thine heart all strife to cease;
With thy brethren be at peace.
Oh, forgive as thou wouldst be
E’en forgiven now by me.
In the solemn faith of prayer
Cast upon me all thy care,
And my Spirit’s grace shall be
Like a fountain unto thee.

4. At the throne I intercede;
For thee ever do I plead.
I have loved thee as thy friend,
With a love that cannot end.
Be obedient, I implore,
Prayerful, watchful evermore,
And be constant unto me,
That thy Savior I may be.

Upon the Cross of Calvary, no. 184

1. Upon the cross of Calvary
They crucified our Lord
And sealed with blood the sacrifice
That sanctified his word.

2. Upon the cross he meekly died
For all mankind to see
That death unlocks the passageway
Into eternity.

3. Upon the cross our Savior died,
But, dying, brought new birth
Through resurrection’s miracle
To all the sons of earth.

As always, blatent lies from the "lying for Jesus" crowd.

OK, the non-capitalization of He/Him frustrates me, too.

[T. P. Pole]

OK, we don't have Amazing Grace in our hymnal, but we do have many that teach of grace.

Rock of Ages, no. 111

1. Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
Let me hide myself in thee;
Let the water and the blood,
From thy wounded side which flowed,
Be of sin the double cure,
Save from wrath and make me pure.

2. Not the labors of my hands
Can fill all thy law’s demands;
Could my zeal no respite know,
Could my tears forever flow,
All for sin could not atone;
Thou must save, and thou alone.

3. While I draw this fleeting breath,
When mine eyes shall close in death,
When I rise to worlds unknown
And behold thee on thy throne,
Rock of Ages, cleft for me,
Let me hide myself in thee.

I think this one explains our view on salvation and grace. Not the labors of my hands can fill all thy law’s demands; Thou must save, and thou alone. We teach that there are requirements in the law's demands, but those "works" will not fill ALL the law's demands. Only the grace of Christ gets me in to heaven. You explain it backwards from what we believe.

Because, apparently, in LDS doctrine, His grace is not sufficient.

No, in LDS doctrine, our works are not sufficient, only His grace is (but we still are required to do works).