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To: UriÂ’el-2012

The origin of infant baptism is very suspect indeed

O.K. how old was Jesus whem\n He was Circumcised.....the Jewish version of Christian Baptism......did 8 day old Jewish children understand their obligations to the Jewish religion.....maybe, but probably not......you keep your kids from being baptized until they are who knows how old....I will baptize mine shortly after birth.....I have nothing to lose, you do....pathetic


43 posted on 02/17/2010 8:56:57 PM PST by terycarl (4)
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To: terycarl
U-2012>The origin of infant baptism is very suspect indeed

O.K. how old was Jesus whem\n He was Circumcised.....the Jewish version of Christian Baptism......did 8 day old Jewish children understand their obligations to the Jewish religion.....maybe, but probably not......you keep your kids from being baptized until they are who knows how old....I will baptize mine shortly after birth.....I have nothing to lose, you do....pathetic

Yah'shua was circumcised on eighth day after his birth.

The Holy Word of G-d in Luke tells us that Yah'shua
was born on the YHvH commanded Feast of Tabernacles.
See John 1:14 where he became flesh and tabernacled among us.

He would have been circumcised on the Feast of Simcha Torah
( the Joy of the Holy Word of G-d)

Since in the days of Yah'shua, baptism or Mikvah was only performed
by adults in preparation to going up to the temple, infant baptism is
extremely suspect.

Yah'shua was, is and will always be a Jew Ruling and Reigning on the
throne of King David from Jerusalem for a thousand years.

How do I know this, His Holy Word tells me.
Not the traditions of man.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
44 posted on 02/17/2010 9:17:18 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: terycarl
O.K. how old was Jesus whem\n He was Circumcised.....the Jewish version of Christian Baptism......did 8 day old Jewish children understand their obligations to the Jewish religion.....maybe, but probably not......you keep your kids from being baptized until they are who knows how old....I will baptize mine shortly after birth.....I have nothing to lose, you do....pathetic

Jesus was eight days old when circumcised, and you are right to compare baptism to circumcision, they are both signs of covenant-making.

But let's go apples to apples...How old was our LORD when he was BAPTIZED?

(30 years old) To be sure, the Creator, the living WORD, did not need to be baptized, he was without sin!

Matthew 3:13-17 reads:

13Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John.
14But John tried to deter him, saying, "I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?"
15Jesus replied, "Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness." Then John consented.
16As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.
17And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

He made a conscious decision to obey, which is what baptism is, not something done without your consent.

Each of us stand before God at judgement and nothing is hidden before him.

12For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
13Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

How is an unborn child, murdered in the womb, going to 'give an account?'

A just and holy God judges each of us based on our own sins, not Adam's.

(See 2 Kings 14:6, quoting Deuteronomy 24:16):

Yet he did not put the sons of the assassins to death, in accordance with what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses where the LORD commanded: "Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sins."

Baptising infants/children springs from a fear that they will die with unforgiven sin in them, but dunking a person in water is a meaningless act unless the mind is engaged in submission to the Redeemer.

Since God tells us very clearly that a child is not held responsible for the sins of his father, why are you concerned with the sins of the physical father of us all? (Adam)

Granted, there is a penalty we suffer because of Adam, namely mortality, but this is distinct from our soul.

Romans chapter 5 is a great instruction for us that the sin of Adam resulted in death entering the creation. Conversely the righteousness of Jesus conferred eternal life. Verse 12 says: death came to all men, because all sinned

How does a baby sin, FRiend?

45 posted on 02/18/2010 12:18:28 PM PST by JOAT
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