Skip to comments.Is Mary Co-Redemptress of the World?
Posted on 02/19/2010 5:07:29 PM PST by bogusname
Roman Catholic theology often parallels Mary the mother of Jesus with Jesus Himself in His work of redemption. For example, Jesus is born without the stain of original sin, and so is Mary. Jesus lives a sinless life; so does Mary. Jesus remains a virgin all His life; Mary is Ever-Virgin. Jesus is the Redeemer; Mary is Co-Redemptress. Jesus is the one Mediator between man and God, yet Mary, too, is Mediatrix. Jesus is bodily assumed into heaven; so is Mary. Ascribing Christological attributes such as these to Mary historically has been a source of contention between Protestants (who see no basis in Scripture for these beliefs), and Roman Catholics (who emphasize the role of Tradition in these matters).
Defining Terms. All of these beliefs, save two, are official Roman Catholic dogmas. The exceptions Co-Redemptress and Mediatrixare nevertheless hallmarks of Roman Catholic devoutness that many believe to be ripe for dogmatic definition.
These two titles, often considered as a single role for Mary, are technically distinct. Redemptress broadly involves Marys active decision to bring redemption to the world by agreeing to become the mother of Jesus, whereas Mediatrix has to do with Marys active work in continually advocating for the salvation of those who take refuge in her. The Roman Catholic teaching for both is summed up well in the document Ineffabilis Deus: All our hope do we repose in the most Blessed Virginin the all fair and immaculate one who has crushed the poisonous head of the most cruel serpent and brought salvation to the world [hence, Redemptress];... in her who, with her only-begotten Son, is the most powerful Mediatrix and Conciliatrix in the whole world;...in her do we hope who has delivered us from so many threatening dangers.
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No. There is not such person as a “co-redemptress.” There is only One Redeemer.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1 Tim 2:5
There is absolutely no Scripture you can give that says so.
Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ!
Mary, of course, can’t be anything other than another one of us many sinners who are saved by grace.
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Are the Jesuits up to this crap again?
Religion is a pathway to hell.
Christ is the pathway to Eternal Life
Mary delivered Jesus so that Jesus could deliver Mary.
And obviously if Jesus as God did not remain a virgin the He would be breaking His own laws,yet if He married the history of the world would be strikingly different.
Obviously your thesis isn’t important enough to explicate without first a word from your sponsors, lol.
I’ll be in the kitchen making popcorn if anybody needs me.
yes....... if you are an idol worshipper
What was your purpose in posting this? What did you hope to accomplish?
Succinct and true.
(By the way, I have some left over letters, umlauts and accent marks if your screen name isn’t long enough yet.)
Of course the term “co-Redemptress” is the author’s own, and his argument consists entirely of the author’s own wishful thinking.
Straw man argument.
To show how far modern Fundamentalism has come since the original Protestants of the 16th century, Martin Luther preached on the Feast of the Visitation (July 2, 1532) after his break with Rome —
“She, the Lady above heaven and earth, must have a heart so humble that she might have no shame in washing the swaddling clothes or preparing a bath for St. John the Baptist, like a servant girl. What humility! It would surely have been more just to have arranged for her a golden coach, pulled by 4,000 horses, and to cry and proclaim as the carriage proceeded: ‘Here passes the woman who is raised FAR ABOVE all women, indeed above the WHOLE human race.’”
French Reformed pastor Charles Drelincourt (who well represents the Protestant Reformed/Calvinist tradition of the 17th century) wrote —
“We do not simply believe that God has favoured the holy and blessed Virgin more than all the Patriarchs and the Prophets, but also that He has exalted her above all Seraphim. The angels can only qualify as servants of the Son of God, the creatures and workmanship of his hands; but the holy Virgin is not only the servant and the creature but also the Mother of this great and living God.”
(see these quotations in Calvinist theologian Max Thurian’s study Mary, Mother of All Christians)
“Jesus is the sole Redeemer, since no one is saved except through Him.
We each participate in our own redemption, by cooperating with grace.
We each assist one another in our redemption, by prayer, self-denial, and good works.
Mary’s role is like our role in redemption.
She participated in her own redemption, but she was not able to save herself.
She participates in our redemption by offering her whole life and her whole self to God,
and by being the perfect and first disciple of Christ.
So co-Redemptrix must be understood as not only subordinate to Christ’s role,
but also a fundamentally different type of role. There are two types of redemptive roles.
The first type of role is held only by Christ.
The second type of role is held by all who participate in the redemption that Christ offers.”
- Ron Conte
And I would posit that you pick and choose what you like to hear coming out of these protestant’s mouths when it backs something the Roman church teaches. All the rest your church condemnded them with anathemas for.
I would also state these are great examples to never revere a great figure too much, as these men are also men, fully able to exaggerate and make mistakes. Luther was a great figure and reformer but far from perfect. Just like anyone else. No one should spend time exalting any mortal person and placing them “above the Seraphim”. I believe Luther would agree with me if he could.
Outstanding post! (And the one after this one.)
Only if the death of Jesus Christ was insufficient
to pay the penalty of the sins of humanity.
I don’t think so!
Mary bore Jesus. She didn’t die for humanity!
Is this part of Friday Silliness???
Uh, no. Marys’ soul needed saving just like everyone else. Jesus was her Savior, too.
We only ask that Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death.
Truth according to whom? The Scriptures, or the "truth" expressed by the blogger you linked? His straw man argument is factually incorrect and was clearly intended as an attack on the Catholic Church.
Honestly, is that why you posted it? Did you write it?
“Mary, of course, cant be anything other than another one of us many sinners who are saved by grace.”
Uh, so you and everyone else carried Jesus in your womb (if you have one) for 9 months and gave birth to him, just like Mary, since she’s no different than you or me?
Co-redemptrix does not mean equal redeemer. It simply recognizes the simple fact that without a Mother there would be no Incarnation (embodiment) and without Incarnation there would be no redemption. She is an agent of the prccess by which God saves us.
She simply is.
Deny it until you are blue in the face but it doesn’t change the fact: without Mary there would be no Incarnation.
Everything she did she did only by God’s grace.
But God did what He did to save us by means of Mary. Really, truly by means of her.
??? Who is this idiot spouting this nonsense?
This was recent covered in a still ongoing thread, which exposed Mariology even more.
While many will point of differences between infallible teaching and that which is “stamped” or non-stamped, Rome gives those who go to extremes pretty much a free reign, and even praying to Mary is not Biblical. No believer anywhere in Scripture prayed to anyone else in Heaven but God, or where the Bible exalts anyone else to be a heavenly object of prayers. Considering the sufficiency the Holy Spirit ascribes to God who is set forth as the direct object of petitions, and of Christ who ever lives to intercede for us, (Heb. 4:14-16; 7:25) there is no need, or warrant, nor for praying to anyone but the Lord. nor is there any warrant for attributing to Mary powers or functions that belong to Him, such as,
The power thus put into her (Marys) hands is all but unlimited. How unerringly right, then, are Christian souls when they turn to Mary for help...How rightly, too, has every nation and every liturgy without exception acclaimed her great renown, which has grown greater with the voice of each succeeding century. Among her many other titles we find her hailed as our Lady, our Mediatrix, (St. Bernard, Serm.II in Adv. 4) the Reparatrix of the whole world, (St. Tharasius, Orat. in Praesentatione) the Dispenser of all heavenly gifts. (On Off. Graec., 8 Dec.). Pope Leo XIII, in Adiutricem (On the Rosary), Encyclical promulgated on September 5, 1895, #8. http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13adiut.htm
O Virgin most holy, none abounds in the knowledge of God except through thee; none, O Mother of God, attains salvation except through thee; none receives a gift from the throne of mercy except through thee. Pope Leo XIII, in Adiutricem (On the Rosary), Encyclical promulgated on September 5, 1895, #9.http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13adiut.htm
.When therefore we read in the writings of Saint Bernard, Saint Bernardine, Saint Bonaventure, and others that all in heaven and on earth, even God himself, is subject to the Blessed Virgin, they mean that the authority which God was pleased to give her is so great that she seems to have the same power as God. Her prayers and requests are so powerful with him that he accepts them as commands in the sense that he never resists his dear mothers prayer because it is always humble and conformed to his will.... St. Louis de Montfort, in Treatise on True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin, #27, 246. http://www.ewtn.com/library/Montfort/TRUEDEVO.HTM
With equal truth may it be also affirmed that, by the will of God, Mary is the intermediary through whom is distributed unto us this immense treasure of mercies gathered by God, for mercy and truth were created by Jesus Christ. Thus as no man goeth to the Father but by the Son, so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother....Mary is this glorious intermediary... Pope Leo XIII, in Octobri Mense (On the Rosary), Encyclical promulgated on September 22, 1891, # 4.
Thus is confirmed that law of merciful meditation of which We have spoken, and which St. Bernardine of Siena thus expresses: Every grace granted to man has three degrees in order; for by God it is communicated to Christ, from Christ it passes to the Virgin, and from the Virgin it descends to us.Pope Leo XIII, in Iucunda Semper Expectatione (On the Rosary), Encyclical promulgated on September 8, 1894, #5.
All gifts which the Author of all good (God) has deigned to communicate to the unhappy posterity of Adam, are, according to the loving resolve of His Divine Providence, dispensed by the hands of the Most Holy Virgin. Pope Benedict XV (AAS 9, 1917, 266) (quoted in About Our Lady, our Blessed Mother, by Our Ladys Warriors).
The foundation of all Our confidence, as you know well, Venerable Brethren, is found in the Blessed Virgin Mary. For, God has committed to Mary the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is His will, that we obtain everything through Mary. Pope Pius IX, in Ubi Primum (On the Immaculate Conception), Encyclical promulgated on February 2, 1849, #5.
In conclusion: we may say that, in virtue of the divine salvific counsels ordaining a most perfect redemption, our Lady as Coredemptrix is included with Christ, the One Mediator. Rev. Fr. Peter Damian M. Fehlner, F.F.I., professor of Catholic Theology, in Immaculata Mediatrix Toward a Dogmatic Definition of the Coredemption.
Pope Pius XII explains in an address on the Queenship of Mary, when the glorious Virgin Mary entered triumphantly into heaven and was elevated above the choirs of angels to the throne of the Most Holy Trinity. And then Christ placed a triple crown of glory on her head, presented her to the heavenly court, seated her at his right hand and pronounced her Queen of the Universe....Opus Sanctorum Angelorum, Formation Letter, Mary - Regina Angelorum, April, 2000. http://www.opusangelorum.org/Formation/Maryregina.html
Advocate of grace,
Champion of Gods people,
Cause of our joy,
Holy Mother of God;
Most honored of virgins;
Chosen daughter of the Father
Mother of Christ;
Glory of the Holy Spirit
Handmaid of the Lord,
Mother of the Lord,
Helper of the Redeemed,
Full of grace,
Fountain of beauty,
Finest fruit of the redemption,
Model of virtue,
Mother of Christ,
Mother of the Church,
Mother of divine grace,
Mother most pure,
Mother most chaste,
Mother most amiable,
Mother most admirable,
Mother of good counsel,
Mother of our Creator,
Mother of our Savior,
Minister of holiness,
Joy of Israel,
Perfect disciple of Christ,
Pride of the human race,
Queen of love,
Queen of mercy,
Queen of peace,
Queen of angels,
Queen of patriarchs and prophets,
Queen of apostles and martyrs,
Queen of confessors and virgins,
Queen of all saints,
Queen conceived without original sin,
Queen assumed into heaven,
Queen of all earth,
Queen of heaven,
Queen of the universe
Seat of wisdom,
Untarnished image of the Church,
Virgin most prudent,
Virgin most venerable,
Virgin most renowned,
Virgin most powerful,
Virgin most merciful,
Virgin most faithful,
Virgin daughter of Zion,
Virgin poor and humble,
Virgin gentle and obedient,
Woman clothed with the sun,
Woman crowned with stars,
Splendor of the Church,
From the Litany of Loreto
Dearest of Mothers,
Model of motherhood,
Mother of good counsel;
Mother of our Creator;
Mother of our Savior;
Virgin most wise;
Virgin rightly praised;
Virgin rightly renowned;
Virgin most powerful;
Virgin gentle in mercy;
Mirror of justice;
Throne of wisdom;
Cause of our joy;
Shrine of the Spirit;
Glory of Israel,
Vessel of selfless devotion;
Tower of David;
Tower of ivory;
House of gold;
Ark of the covenant;
Gate of heaven;
Health of the sick;
Refuge of sinners;
Comfort of the troubled;
Help of Christians;
Queen of the rosary;
Even Calvinists are only right when they are telling the truth!
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Thank you very much! GBY
Thank you so much! I took some time out and prayed, and recited the beautiful litany. May God bless you for your wonderful post.
you have to realize, our ‘separated’ brethern ignore their own elder statesmen when those men support the clear biblical catholicity of Mary’s role.
right, she was saved in advance, thus her sinless nature, so that she, like the tabernacle of old, was without blemish to bear son of God.
There is no theological absurdity in calling Mary the co-redeemer for it was through Mary’s assent that the Christ became the Son of Man in addition to Son of God. The flesh and blood of the Christ was Mary’s flesh and blood. To the extent that Mary’s role was indispensable in the process of redemption, it would not violate theological underpinnings if she were referred to as the co-redemptrix. She is after all, the Queen of Angels.
As a Catholic I will assert that Mary may be different from you in degree, but not in kind. And I will also assert that the unmerited grace of Christ is so beyond our imagining or deserving that He actually allows us to share in His work.
“Jesus is the Redeemer; Mary is Co-Redemptress
??? Who is this idiot spouting this nonsense? “
This is indeed Catholic doctrine, and I most cetainly believe it.
If Mary had not accepted to be the Mother Of Jesus, who is God, and Spouse of the Holy Spirit, who is God, then no redemption of humanity would be possible!
God gave every human being free will, and He never, ever overrides it, even in the case of Mary, who was without sin.
Having said this, I don’t want to get into a theological debate, since I am unqualified
This has been discussed at length here and forward. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2421970/posts?page=7880#7880 andhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2421970/posts?page=7996#7940
It is not simply the technical aspect of it that is in dispute, but more so what it conveys, and the basis for making doctrine which lacks Scriptural warrant, as praying to Mary surely does.
There is no redeemer except Jesus Christ. Catholic doctrine has high regard for Mary and her role in bringing our Lord into the world but does not teach of a co-redeemer.
Those of you who slept through Latin class may now return to your blissful state of ignorance.
Notice the clever use of co-redempress, instead of redemptrix?
clever change of conjugation supplying a perfect reason for people to fume.
The meaning of the word co-redemptrix is clear. "Co-" as in copilot or coequal. The meaning would be “partner” in the English equivalent. Redemptrix is the feminine form of Redeemer. So, the Latin roots do mean that such a co-redemptrix shares a role in Redemption.
“There is no redeemer except Jesus Christ. Catholic doctrine has high regard for Mary and her role in bringing our Lord into the world but does not teach of a co-redeemer”
Like I said, “I am not qualified to make theological arguments”
I am just pointing out that Mary’s consent was a necessary part of God’s redemptive plan for fallen humanity. Without Her consent, God would not have assumed the image of man. Her free will acceptance to become The Mother Of God was a necessary prerequisite for redemption.
Your example of copilot, and coequal is flawed based on the fact that those are different words. Coequal, is of course about equivalence because the the prefix is added to the word “equal” which assigns the semantic meaning of equality. Secondly your use of copilot still entails subordination, since a copilot is not the pilot.
In other words, your examples do not show anything.
Alright, then, can you tell me with a straight face, that the co-executrix of an estate is somehow inferior to her counterpart in settling that estate, or that she is somehow not an executor, due to the feminine form used to describe her?
That’s what you’re attempting to do, here. Verbal gymnastics. The word “co-redemptrix” when applied to Mary implies that Redemption comes through her as well as through Jesus Christ. This is not at all Biblical; it’s contrary to it, in fact.
973 By pronouncing her “fiat” at the Annunciation and giving her consent to the Incarnation, Mary was already collaborating with the whole work her Son was to accomplish. She is mother wherever he is Savior and head of the Mystical Body.
974 The Most Blessed Virgin Mary, when the course of her earthly life was completed, was taken up body and soul into the glory of heaven, where she already shares in the glory of her Son’s Resurrection, anticipating the resurrection of all members of his Body.
975 “We believe that the Holy Mother of God, the new Eve, Mother of the Church, continues in heaven to exercise her maternal role on behalf of the members of Christ” (Paul VI, CPG § 15).
Sure. I agree with your second post. Your theology is fine. But that’s not the same thing as a co-redeemer. Huge difference. So the writer referenced in the author misinterprets Catholic teaching in order to bash it which I disagree with.
It is on Free Republic.
The meaning of the word co-redemptrix is clear. "Co-" as in copilot or coequal.
Incorrect. Co is derived from the Latin cum meaning with, not equal to. Co-Redemptrix means the woman with the Redeemer not the woman equal to the Redeemer.
Those who dismiss the unique role that the Blessed Virgin Mary plays in the redemption of mankind are simply ignorant.
Svendsen plays this game all the time and he’s been repeatedly shown to be a buffoon. Nevertheless, that doesn’t keep the gullible from eagerly drinking his kool aid.