IGNASIUS LOYOLA: ""To be right in everything, we ought always to hold that the white which I see, is black, if the Hierarchical Church so decides it"
He is telling Roman Catholics to ignore what their own lying eyes reveal to them; what their own conscience tells them; what the Scriptures teach them; and simply go along with the papacy's deflection of the truth.
That's exactly what the words are saying. There's nothing new in telling lies for expediency's sake, for power and control. Scripture tells us what happens to that kind of intentional misdirection -- "woe unto them..."
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" -- Isaiah 5:20
Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joseph, and Jude, and Simon? are not also his sisters here with us? And they were scandalized in regard of him. (Mark 6:3)We see now through a glass in a dark manner; but then face to face (1 Corinthians 13:12)
Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke: and gave to his disciples, and said: Take ye, and eat. This is my body. (Matthew 26:26)
But is the Church similarly confused?
He that heareth you, heareth me (Luke 10:16)18 ...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. (Matthew 16, Matthew 18:18 similar)
I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and thou, being once converted, confirm thy brethren (Luke 22:32)
He's saying that the Church is our Mother and that left to our own devices we fall into error.
Strange to hear this coming from a Calvinist. I thought we were utterly corrupt. Now you're telling us that we can figure it all out for ourselves? Most peculiar.
Has the story changed yet again?
what their own conscience tells them;
Much better to listen to the Bride of Christ than our own utterly corrupt conscience, right Doc? Is conscience now the final arbiter of right and wrong, is that what you're saying Doc? If my conscience tells me there's no problem, then that's all that matters? There's no external, objective standard of truth?
Conscience needs to be formed according to certain principles, does it not?
what the Scriptures teach them;
All sorts of baloney masquerades as Scriptural teaching. Scripture apparently "teaches" all sorts of things to all sorts of different people. Don't make me post that graphic of the various offshoots, branches and splinters of the Presbyterian Church. Is that the result of Scriptural "teaching".
and simply go along with the papacy's deflection of the truth.
Ah yes.......same old shtick........"the Catholic Church is lying"
Don't you get tired of posting this tripe?
So tell us Doc, if the "papacy is deflecting the truth", who gets to decide what is and is not "truth"? No, don't say "Scripture". It's your own personal interpretation of Scripture. It's you, right? In the end, it all comes down to you.
Like I said......rebellion, pure and simple.
Pride.
No, that's your biased interpretation of his words.
If you want "exactly what the words are saying," quote them.