[the_conscience]

Calvinists, OTOH, make the claim that while their salvation was determined at the foundation of the earth entirely independent of anything the person does or thinks during their lifetime, that their destiny is not the result of fatalistic determinism.

Not true. Calvinism would only be fatalistic if it were claimed that no creational means were used in applying that salvation. But since Calvinism clearly describes creational means as an important factor then it cannot be said to be fatalistic.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Amen. It’s all about “who” does “what” to “whom.”

[P-Marlowe]

But since Calvinism clearly describes creational means

Creational means? Creational means? What does that "mean"?

[P-Marlowe]

Not true. Calvinism would only be fatalistic if it were claimed that no creational means were used in applying that salvation. But since Calvinism clearly describes creational means as an important factor then it cannot be said to be fatalistic.

thefreedictionary.com

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fa·tal·ism (ftl-zm)

n.

1. The doctrine that all events are predetermined by fate and are therefore unalterable.

2. Acceptance of the belief that all events are predetermined and inevitable.

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Based on that definition, what is it about Calvinism that is NOT fatalistic?