[the_conscience]

P-Marlowe: Obviously the premise revolves around God's interaction with his creation. Asking questions about the Biblical data as it concerns this interaction helps expose how the logic will follow.

MHGinTN wrote:

Holy is a state of being which when God created Adam He did not create Adam holy else Adam would not have sinned.

God said he created Adam very good and in his image. Isn't being righteous and holy acting according to God's commands? God is righteous and holy because he acts according to his own standard. So Adam having never sinned since his creation up until the time he sinned must have been righteous and holy before he sinned. In fact, Paul talks about renewing the image of God as being righteous and holy.

put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.

So clearly being renewed is returning to our original condition in Adam which is righteousness and holiness.

[P-Marlowe]

Obviously the premise revolves around God's interaction with his creation.

Obviously? I had no idea that this was the focus of our discussion. Why don't you just state your premise and then see if anyone wants to play Socrates?

While you are composing your premise, why don't you answer this: Who is in control of your destiny?