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To: P-Marlowe
The answer to your other questions is no and no.

That's great! Now that you rejected Arminianism on the grounds that it's fatalistic in that Arminianism teaches that there is a force greater than God and that God and Man operate within the universe of that force, then it should be evident that only the Reformed doctrine teaching that man's actions are truly free and that his actions will always result in consequences is the only non-fatalistic doctrine in all of Christianity.

So the answer to your question is yes.

1,191 posted on 03/13/2010 10:14:06 AM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: the_conscience
Now that you rejected Arminianism on the grounds that it's fatalistic

LOL!

I reject Arminainsism for the same reason I reject Calvinism. I don't think you can put God in a box. Both systems tend to define God in a way that somehow confines God and limits his sovereignty and hence in my opinion both Calvinism and Arminianism are true in what they assert, but are both wrong and effectively inconsistent in what they deny.

So the answer to your question is yes.

I asked four questions so if your answer is "yes" then I must assume we had the following coversation:


PM: Is the future fixed? 

tc: yes

PM: Can you do anything which God has not foreordained from before the creation?

tc: yes

PM: Has not God declared the end from the beginning?

tc: yes

PM: Which one of us is the Calvinist here?

tc: yes
Ok, here's my followup question:

What can you possibly do which God has not foreordained from before the creation?

1,196 posted on 03/13/2010 10:28:09 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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