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To: Mr Rogers; Dr. Eckleburg
Still waiting to hear the verse in scripture where we are given faith as the result of our regeneration (born again), not born again thru faith.
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

46 posted on 02/28/2010 2:01:50 PM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: the_conscience; Dr. Eckleburg

That a person must be born again to understand the things of God, I agree.

But when Jesus raised Lazarus so that they might believe, was belief a gift he gave them after regeneration, or belief something they were responsible for?

When Jesus said, “I said this on account of the people standing around, that they may believe that you sent me”, was Jesus lying? Was he mocking them? Was he claiming that he would give them belief?

Or did he do miracles so that they might believe, and those who rejected him would be responsible for their unbelief?

Jesus said, “You refuse to come to me that you may have life”, not, “You do not have life, so you refuse to come”!


49 posted on 02/28/2010 2:12:34 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: the_conscience
Rogers has been given dozens of Scripture regarding regeneration and he still rebukes it.

What was that you were saying about the natural man...?

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" -- Titus 3:5

Even our "work of faith" is God-given. Unless a person has been born by the Holy Spirit, the Bible remains a puzzle to him, and salvation just a riddle.

51 posted on 02/28/2010 2:18:56 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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