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To: srweaver

“one is saved by following the Spirit of Christ WITHOUT ever hearing of the (Catholic) Church.”

No, he is saying that it is possible for someone to be saved without hearing of the Catholic church. It is also possible for someone to be saved without ever hearing of Christ, or his Gospels.

“its attempt to grab all authority and power as the dispenser and keeper of salvation, which is actually in Christ alone”

The question arises where does a pastor’s authority come from? The Catholic church is authoritative because of apostolic succession, in that the bishops who are here today have been ordained in an unbroken chain all the way to St. Peter and the Apostles.

Now, what does Christ say to St. Peter? He gives him the keys to the kingdom of heaven and that whatsoever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatsoever you loose on earth shall be loosed from heaven.


56 posted on 03/03/2010 6:46:35 PM PST by BenKenobi (And into this Ring he poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life.)
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To: BenKenobi

“I don’t need the Roman priest for forgiveness, the Roman mass for life, the Roman baptism for salvation, the Roman marriage for a holy union,”

So do you believe that marriage, confession, the mass, and baptism are all contrary to Christ’s teachings?

“To be accurate it is when one is regenerated by the Holy Spirit that they BECOME a member if Christ’s church, it is non-sensical that they are saved BY the church.”

And as Christ teaches that one must be born again by Water and the Spirit. It’s not either/or, but both. This is why we baptise.


57 posted on 03/03/2010 6:49:41 PM PST by BenKenobi (And into this Ring he poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life.)
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