Posted on 03/17/2010 2:50:32 PM PDT by reaganaut
That is just sick.
Very true. One of the LDS, one we usually don’t see here, sent me a freepmail about how sorry they felt for me.
*Sigh*
roflmao
and sad.
Ok
Isn’t Christianity by Definition a perversion of Jewish Law?
Christians consider it a FULFILLMENT of Jewish Law.
Where were you in 1623
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Where were you yourself ???
I had ancestors arriving here that year...
Christians...Walloons...
how about you ????
My ancestors have been here since 1680’s on my mother’s side. My father was a (LEGAL) immigrant from Germany.
And I have on my Grandfathers side, connections back to the LDS all the way back to 1844. A direct descendant was on in the Grand Lodge that kicked Smith out of the Masons and used to go on witnessing runs to Winter Quarters.
But if you are interested in LDS history (I was LDS and I am a professional historian), I can give you a few good (and objective) resources.
Never cast aspersions.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
You upset because my 2,000 years of Christian history is more than TEN times as long as your boasted 170 years of mormon history ???
Kid if you dont want someone to answer you dont toss out bombs...
This is America not theocratic dictatorial Utah of 170 years ago...
I’m a free Christian not an enslaved mormon female...
You toss bombs...I pick em up add some paint and toss em back...
BTW the color you notice will always be RED...
To symbolize the Blood that Jesus shed on the Cross...
P.S. The Church was restored.
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Somebody stole your church ???
You got it back ???
Oh goody...
Jesus of the Christian Bible has a church...
He wasnt careless and lost His...
Not was she stolen...
Nor did He have to hide her...
He has always had her right here on Earth...
She has been here on Earth for 2,000 years...
The Lds Church at one time did use wine vs. water for communion. In fact, the Lds church office in St. George even had a "wine office" in the 1890s & set up its own wine press. Here's the way George Givens wrote about it:
"By 1890 the Church in St. George realized it had made a big mistake in accepting wine and grapes in its tithing office. In fact, there were so many grapes that the wine office set up its own press and became the chief single producer of wine in the Dixie area. [Dixie = Southern Utah] In spite of Brigham's advice to trade the wine out of the community, the St. George brethren drank so much of their wine that drunkeness became a concern among its leaders. The solution was to stop accepting wine as tithing and to abandon its own presses. It took a while, but by 1900 grape growers had gone out of the business and not drinking wine part of the Word of Wisdom in St. George." (Givens, 500 More Little-Known Facts in Mormon History, p. 190)
We realize that (1) stick around long enough, and Mormon theology & Mormon practices will change...(the "Word of Wisdom" has been very "bendable"...what's been "wise" in some eras, apparently not so "wise" in others...);
and (2) It's frankly a sad state of commentary when the church had to boot wine out of communion simply because those Mormons with access to church-produced wine in St. George were getting drunk. The drunkards were dictating communion policy to the church!!!
Thanks for posting that, I remember that the D&C said they used wine but I forgot why they went to water.
Glostershire and Bath. We were Late in the Game, it seems 1628.
What does then even mean?
A Grand Lodge in IL. Master was Hoyt, iirc.
Currently working on transcription of the diaries.
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