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Holding Aaronic Priesthood is an extraordinary privilege - Mormon (Open)
Mormon Times ^ | 3/14/10 | Kristine Frederickson

Posted on 03/17/2010 2:50:32 PM PDT by reaganaut

I write today for my son and other young men about what an extraordinary privilege it is to be an Aaronic Priesthood holder. You have been ordained and given POWER, by someone with authority from God, to act in God’s name on the earth today.

You know all about superheroes. It’s fun to watch movies and see the powers superheroes like Spiderman, Batman and Superman have. But that’s just the movies and not real.

However, from the moment you are ordained a deacon in the Aaronic Priesthood, you are given more power than all the superheroes in the world combined -- and it is REAL power. It’s a special power, of course, and it can only be used if you are living the commandments.

It’s also a power that lets you help others, but you can’t use it for selfish reasons: to get things or do things that Heavenly Father doesn’t want done. However, when you use your priesthood power righteously, wonderful things will happen and you will see miracles, from simple to awe-inspiring, in your life.

What does it mean to be ordained to the Aaronic Priesthood? First, it means God has enormous confidence in you. Imagine a powerful king who rules over millions of people telling you he trusts you so much that he is going to give you his signet ring.

When you have his ring you have the authority and power to do things in the king’s name. That king would have to love you very much and he would have to have enormous faith that you will make good decisions and do what is right.

But this is not a make believe situation; it’s real. Priesthood is the greatest power in the universe and our Heavenly king, God, will trust you with his power throughout your life as long as you remain worthy. He expects you to be sober, to keep the commandments, share the gospel and use priesthood power to help and serve others.

Second, more than the fact that you have power, being an Aaronic Priesthood holder means that you have duties and responsibilities given you. God requires you to do certain things and you will answer to him somedayabout how well you did what he asked you to do.

You can still have fun and enjoy life, but he wants you to be serious in representing him, honoring the priesthood and setting a righteous example for others.

A good way to understand what it means when you are ordained to the Aaronic Priesthood is to consider some of the responsibilities and blessings that come to you as a deacon, a teacher and a priest. All young men ordained to the Aaronic Priesthood hold the keys of the ministering of angels.

This is a literal promise and at times angels with attend and watch over you although you will not necessarily see them.

As a deacon you are to pass the sacrament, watch over the church, bear testimony of Christ, warn, expound, exhort and invite all members to come unto Christ. To do this you will need to keep the commandments, and carefully study the scriptures and the teachings of today’s prophets and apostles.

You are charged with helping the bishop by gathering fast offerings, caring for those in need, fellowshipping quorum brethren, and strengthening and uplifting the members.

When you become a teacher, under the direction of your priesthood leaders, you are to prepare the sacrament and are charged with speaking well of others and strengthening members by encouraging them to live the commandments.

You too warn, expound, exhort, teach and invite all to come unto Christ by home teaching, speaking in church, being an example of righteousness and integrity, and speaking kindly about others.

A priest adds to these duties baptizing and administering the sacrament. He is commissioned to visit members in their homes and to urge them to pray and attend to their family duties.

Isn’t it amazing how much the Lord trusts the young men in the church and how much he depends on them?

When Wilford Woodruff went on his first mission, he "went out as a priest, and my companion as an elder, and we traveled thousands of miles, and had many things manifested to us.

"I desire to impress upon you the fact that it does not make any difference whether a man is a priest or an apostle, if he magnifies his calling. A priest holds the key of the ministering of angels. Never in my life, as an apostle, as a seventy, or as an elder, have I ever had more of the protection of the Lord than while holding the office as a priest.

"The Lord revealed to me by visions, by revelations, and by the Holy Spirit, many things that lay before me.”

What a wonderful honor it is to hold the Aaronic Priesthood and how important it is to do everything in your power to always be worthy of this great privilege given you by God.


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To: reaganaut

That is just sick.


101 posted on 03/17/2010 4:45:45 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: svcw

Very true. One of the LDS, one we usually don’t see here, sent me a freepmail about how sorry they felt for me.

*Sigh*


102 posted on 03/17/2010 4:45:50 PM PDT by reaganaut (Don't mind me, I did a little to much LDS in the 80's (Star Trek IV reference))
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To: Tennessee Nana

roflmao


103 posted on 03/17/2010 4:46:35 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: svcw

and sad.


104 posted on 03/17/2010 4:51:15 PM PDT by reaganaut (Don't mind me, I did a little to much LDS in the 80's (Star Trek IV reference))
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To: svcw

Ok


105 posted on 03/17/2010 4:55:39 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: T Minus Four

Isn’t Christianity by Definition a perversion of Jewish Law?


106 posted on 03/17/2010 5:00:20 PM PDT by magritte (There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: magritte

Christians consider it a FULFILLMENT of Jewish Law.


107 posted on 03/17/2010 5:01:52 PM PDT by reaganaut (Don't mind me, I did a little to much LDS in the 80's (Star Trek IV reference))
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To: Godzilla
"Jesus was of the lineage of David"

Hard to do that when you're born of a virgin...magritte
108 posted on 03/17/2010 5:03:28 PM PDT by magritte (There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: Tennessee Nana
Where were you in 1623, Newington or Jamestown, never did get an answer to that, maybe a scalp raiser or a frog. Never cast aspersions.
109 posted on 03/17/2010 5:04:41 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: Little Bill

Where were you in 1623
____________________________________

Where were you yourself ???

I had ancestors arriving here that year...

Christians...Walloons...

how about you ????


110 posted on 03/17/2010 5:06:26 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Little Bill

My ancestors have been here since 1680’s on my mother’s side. My father was a (LEGAL) immigrant from Germany.

And I have on my Grandfathers side, connections back to the LDS all the way back to 1844. A direct descendant was on in the Grand Lodge that kicked Smith out of the Masons and used to go on witnessing runs to Winter Quarters.

But if you are interested in LDS history (I was LDS and I am a professional historian), I can give you a few good (and objective) resources.


111 posted on 03/17/2010 5:09:07 PM PDT by reaganaut (Don't mind me, I did a little to much LDS in the 80's (Star Trek IV reference))
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To: Little Bill

Never cast aspersions.
________________________________

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

You upset because my 2,000 years of Christian history is more than TEN times as long as your boasted 170 years of mormon history ???

Kid if you dont want someone to answer you dont toss out bombs...

This is America not theocratic dictatorial Utah of 170 years ago...

I’m a free Christian not an enslaved mormon female...

You toss bombs...I pick em up add some paint and toss em back...

BTW the color you notice will always be RED...

To symbolize the Blood that Jesus shed on the Cross...


112 posted on 03/17/2010 5:12:26 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Saundra Duffy

P.S. The Church was restored.
______________________________________

Somebody stole your church ???

You got it back ???

Oh goody...

Jesus of the Christian Bible has a church...

He wasnt careless and lost His...

Not was she stolen...

Nor did He have to hide her...

He has always had her right here on Earth...

She has been here on Earth for 2,000 years...


113 posted on 03/17/2010 5:18:08 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: reaganaut; svcw; T Minus Four
But the use of leavened bread and water, to me, shows it is just another way the denigrate rather than elevate Christ.

The Lds Church at one time did use wine vs. water for communion. In fact, the Lds church office in St. George even had a "wine office" in the 1890s & set up its own wine press. Here's the way George Givens wrote about it:

"By 1890 the Church in St. George realized it had made a big mistake in accepting wine and grapes in its tithing office. In fact, there were so many grapes that the wine office set up its own press and became the chief single producer of wine in the Dixie area. [Dixie = Southern Utah] In spite of Brigham's advice to trade the wine out of the community, the St. George brethren drank so much of their wine that drunkeness became a concern among its leaders. The solution was to stop accepting wine as tithing and to abandon its own presses. It took a while, but by 1900 grape growers had gone out of the business and not drinking wine part of the Word of Wisdom in St. George." (Givens, 500 More Little-Known Facts in Mormon History, p. 190)

We realize that (1) stick around long enough, and Mormon theology & Mormon practices will change...(the "Word of Wisdom" has been very "bendable"...what's been "wise" in some eras, apparently not so "wise" in others...);
and (2) It's frankly a sad state of commentary when the church had to boot wine out of communion simply because those Mormons with access to church-produced wine in St. George were getting drunk. The drunkards were dictating communion policy to the church!!!

114 posted on 03/17/2010 5:20:34 PM PDT by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it.)
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To: Colofornian

Thanks for posting that, I remember that the D&C said they used wine but I forgot why they went to water.


115 posted on 03/17/2010 5:23:32 PM PDT by reaganaut (Don't mind me, I did a little to much LDS in the 80's (Star Trek IV reference))
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To: Tennessee Nana

Glostershire and Bath. We were Late in the Game, it seems 1628.


116 posted on 03/17/2010 5:24:16 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: Little Bill

What does then even mean?


117 posted on 03/17/2010 5:24:30 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: reaganaut
My uncle the former bishop said that lds used to drink coffee but did not want to be confused with Christians, so they banned the drink.
I mean really who knows why lds do anything (except it benefit their projected image.)
118 posted on 03/17/2010 5:27:02 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: reaganaut
Grand Lodge? Who was the Master? Maybe it was the Lodge In Elmira.
119 posted on 03/17/2010 5:28:29 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: Little Bill

A Grand Lodge in IL. Master was Hoyt, iirc.

Currently working on transcription of the diaries.


120 posted on 03/17/2010 5:30:10 PM PDT by reaganaut (Don't mind me, I did a little to much LDS in the 80's (Star Trek IV reference))
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To: reaganaut

A St Paddy’s Day story...

My Catholic Irish ancestors arrived about 1720...

They were indentured servants to the Albany, NY area...

One of the sons, my 6th g grandfather finished out his time and became a Leatherstocking type...trapper...spoke the Indian languages etc..along the Mohawk River...

he brought about 26,000 acres from the Indians...

He was also a captain in the Provincial Army....the group that Yankee Doodle Dandy was written about...

They wore their buckskins and coon hats and refused to wear the bright red uniforms of the English Army...

So the English soldiers would mock them and sing songs about them...

He died fighting Indians and the French at Lake George in Sept 1755..

Think “The Last of the Mohicans”

From accounts of him he was a he was good looking charmer...

:)


121 posted on 03/17/2010 5:30:33 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: svcw

Wasnt that about 1920-30 that the mo0rmons banned coffee ???

No coffee...

Thats unAmerican...


122 posted on 03/17/2010 5:32:42 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

I think thats what my uncle said.
It was funny that he added, so they wouldn’t be taken as Christians.


123 posted on 03/17/2010 5:35:06 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

:)


124 posted on 03/17/2010 5:41:09 PM PDT by reaganaut (Don't mind me, I did a little to much LDS in the 80's (Star Trek IV reference))
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To: Little Bill

My Suffolk family arrived in Massachusetts about 1630


125 posted on 03/17/2010 5:42:21 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Hey, my Mom’s family arrived in what is now New York in the 1630’s from Holland. They went to what is now Ohio around 1750.


126 posted on 03/17/2010 5:56:13 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: magritte
Hard to do that when you're born of a virgin...magritte

While being virgin born, Jesus never the less was 100% God as well as 100% man. Jesus received his part of humanity from Mary, who was as descendant of David. Joseph was also a descendant of David.

127 posted on 03/17/2010 5:56:25 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: svcw
R there is no proof for any of the lds claims.

That depends on what you would accept as "proof."

I have posted here frequently, trying to explain what I believe and why. I believe that what have I written is true. Nevertheless, I do not expect anyone to accept the claims of Mormonism on my say-so.

Instead, I would urge everyone to study the Book of Mormon and apply the test given in Moroni 10:4, 5:

4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.

5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.

I consider personal revelation from God to be the best "proof" one can have of eternal truths.

128 posted on 03/17/2010 6:17:03 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: Logophile
Hinkley said that lds believe in a different jesus than the Christian Jesus.
I only commune with the Jesus of the Bible.

Although I believe you are sincere, I also believe you to be deceived.

129 posted on 03/17/2010 6:40:50 PM PDT by svcw (Jesus comforts the uncomfortable and makes uncomfortable the comfortable.)
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To: Logophile; svcw
God, the Eternal Father (Moroni 10:4)

Ya wanna explain Logophile, how, if the Mormon god was once a man, how he could also be the eternal father??? (Does the word "eternal" Mormonese only run on a one-way "street" so to speak...eternal future but never eternal past???) How "eternal" is an eternality that's not very eternal???

...ye may know the truth of all things. (Moroni 10:5)

Logo, this is both a false promise and an already-covered lesson plan man should have learned long ago!
How is it a false promise? NO ONE (other than Jesus Christ Himself, the Father, and the Spirit as our one God) "know(s) the truth of ALL things"!!! And no one CAN know "the truth of all things" unless they expect to be omniscient and become like god -- which, temple Mormons, in their lack of humility, anticipate will happen to them!!!
How is this a lesson plan we don't need to repeat? This is a lure for power, for knowledge is power, and the promise that a person will be "hooked up" with ALL KNOWLEDGE is what we should have learned long ago from Adam & Eve eating from the tree of knowledge of good & evil.

130 posted on 03/17/2010 6:55:28 PM PDT by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it.)
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To: Logophile
Mormons frequently refer people investigating their religion to a promise in the Book of Mormon, Moroni 10:4: "And when ye shall receive these things [the Book of Mormon], I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost."

Let's look at that claim.

Moroni 10:4 is not so much of a promise as it is a manipulative device. It promises a particular result if certain terms are met. But the terms reflect on the seeker's integrity as regards both his sincerity and resolve, and on his faith in Christ. To be willing to rely on the promise of this verse as a test for the Book of Mormon's truthfulness one must already have concluded somehow that its instruction is valid and its promise reliable. That is, one must already believe in the "truthfulness" of this verse.

If the verse is true, then the only possible explanation for failing to obtain the result promised is a failure to meet the terms. That is, one must lack a sincere heart, and/or real intent, and/or faith in Christ. If one believes the verse is true then one must obtain the answer promised, or face an embarrassing judgement of one's sincerity, intent, or faith in Christ. The seeker is forced into convincing himself he has had some kind of manifestation from God, just to vindicate his own character. Or worse, he is moved to a frame of mind where he will gladly and indiscriminately embrace any supernatural manifestation as though it were from God.

Plain reason, not to mention all the force of Scripture's revelation of the character of God, testifies that God would not, does not, use such manipulative mind/ego games against the human family to bring them to believe the truth. God does not approve, and truth does not need, such machinations.


131 posted on 03/17/2010 7:04:25 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 ("The Economy Is So Bad, Even 'Rosy Scenario' Lost Her Job"-Jim Geraghty)
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To: Logophile; svcw
Instead, I would urge everyone to study the Book of Mormon and apply the test given in Moroni 10:4, 5

Logo, I have studied the BoM & the specific book of Moroni...here are some of my "fave" passages from Joseph Smith's prose as really revealed in the book of Moroni:

Moroni chapter 1: "I have not as yet perished..." (Moroni 1:1)...[Well, duh!!!! I mean, I didn't really think you were a "ghost" writer as of this date, Mo!]

Moroni chapter 5: The manner of administering the wine--Behold, they took the cup... (Moroni 5:1) [Yeah, well, this got "watered" down in a hurry by drunkard Mormons in St. George!!!! See my earlier post on this]

Moroni chapter 6: ...relying ALONE upon the merits of Christ... (Moroni 6:4) [When will that start happening for Mormons, Logo?]

I have "lots" of "fave" verses in Moroni 8, but allow me to close out this post with my "fave" verse excerpts from Moroni 7:
"For behold..." (v. 6)
"For behold..." (v. 7)
"For behold..." (v. 8)
"For behold..." (v. 13)
"For behold..." (v. 15
"For behold..." (v. 16)
"For behold..." (v. 22)
"For behold..." (v. 24)
"For behold..." (v. 30)
"For behold..." (v. 37)
"For behold..." (v. 39)
"For behold..." (v. 41)

It's pretty obvious from reading Moroni 7, Logo, that Joseph needed a little "time-killing" transition word, while he was thinking of where the next verse should go as he was dictating it to the scribe. (There's just no reason for someone pressed for space to scribble notes on gold to waste it on "behold" a dozen times every third verse or so).

So you're serious??? You want people to pray about Moroni 10:4-5 when Mormons violently militate in their curricula, missionary lesson plans, articles, Web site, media content, etc. vs. adhering to Moroni 6:4 -- relying ALONE upon the merits of Christ???

132 posted on 03/17/2010 7:11:01 PM PDT by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it.)
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To: svcw

My Walloons, a man and his children and his new 2nd wife were French and came from Holland...

From the Leyden Church in Amsterdam...

A man born in Holland also arrived in NY in 1623, supposedly on the same ship..

Then my English family from Suffolk to MASS in 1630..

Then I have a man who was born in Holland and arrived here before his son was born in NY in 1631

And I have a couple who were born in Germany and arrived here before their child was born in NY in 1633..

Then the French born grown children of the man who had brought that first family and ship to the New World in 1623, arrived in New York in 1637 from Holland..

Another man born in Holland came with his parents and siblings to NY that same year, 1637..

Then I have a man born in Holland who came from the Texel in Holland to NY about 1640...

And another man born in Holland arrived in NY about 1645...

and so on...

Most from Holland and then some from France

Several had trading posts or taverns and made and sold their own beer...

One had an extremely large tobacco plantation that reached into present day Central Park...

One was banned from the colony for selling liquer to Indians..

One was a crook who was whipped and imprisoned...

and one was made a slave at age seven to pay for the father’s crimes...and sold from one owner to another ...and went on to overcome that early horrible start to be rich and prosperous...

The New World...my bloodlines...

I’m proud of them all...though some I could do without...


133 posted on 03/17/2010 7:23:24 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39; Colofornian; svcw
I followed the link you provided, and found this gem:

There is not only no good reason to do as Moroni 10:4 directs, there is very good reason not to do so.

Do you agree with the author one should not pray to God to know whether the Book of Mormon is true?

134 posted on 03/17/2010 7:28:03 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: greyfoxx39

Ya know, you just can’t make this stuff up! Oh. Wait....


135 posted on 03/17/2010 7:30:48 PM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Water is “owned” by Satan...p>WHAT????????? How does that roll?
136 posted on 03/17/2010 7:32:37 PM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: magritte
Isn’t Christianity by Definition a perversion of Jewish Law?

The entire point of the Jewish law was to prepare humanity for the coming of Messiah.

Be interesting to know where you're coming from. I'm guessing neither Christian nor LDS.

137 posted on 03/17/2010 7:37:38 PM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: svcw

I have seven ancestors on the Holland Society list...

i have DIRECT bloodlines that men would kill for...

But i cant join the Holland society...

You have to be a male...

But the ancestors can just be related to the men who came here to NY...

In other words if you are a male and the brother or uncle or cousin or nephew of your direct ancestor was the one to come here...

but your actual ancestor didnt...

you can be a member of the Holland Society...

a kick in the teeth...

The funny thing is they expanded the rules to attract morfe members but still just males...

The women ???

Oh we can join the Holland Dames ...which is set up more likme an axilary of the Holland Society than an actual genealogical society...

In other words it supports the males over in the Holland Society but doesnt really acknowledge the lineage of its members...

though the exorborant dues are the same...

I can join the Dutch Settlers of Albany which is more exclusive anfd a whole lot cheaper...

:)


138 posted on 03/17/2010 7:39:01 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: magritte

**Hard to do that when you’re born of a virgin...magritte***

Not really. The linage of Mary leads back to David’s other son Nathan.


139 posted on 03/17/2010 7:41:41 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (If I say to you "I'm your friend" ....RUN!)
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To: Colofornian

Well that was enlightening. It’s intereting to know that thanks to a bunch of wino Mormons, I cannot buy a bottle of wine at the grocery store here in Utah. It’ very annoying. Good thing I have AF base access so I can even buy wine and booze on SUNDAY, BWAAAA HA HA HA!


140 posted on 03/17/2010 7:44:35 PM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: T Minus Four

LOL

Joey Smith and somer buddies were in a canoe that tipped over and they almost got drowned

One of the idiots with him decided that he saw the devil at the time or something...

So from that idiot joey smith wrote a doctrine denouncing the waters and that its dangerous to travel on water...

However thaty didnt include CANALS (as in Erie etc) where you could just as easily get drowned LOL

Anyhoo, missionaries are not allowed to go swimming while they are on a mission etc...


141 posted on 03/17/2010 7:45:38 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: T Minus Four

Which base ???


142 posted on 03/17/2010 7:46:16 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

How very romantic :-)

My ancestors also came over from Ireland but in the 1850’s. We have names and facts but no stories.

I’m sure they’ve all been posthumously baptised into the LDS church by now.


143 posted on 03/17/2010 7:50:46 PM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: Colofornian

By 1890 the Church in St. George realized it had made a big mistake in accepting wine and grapes in its tithing office.
__________________________________________

In SLC Brigham Young accepted a black slave as a tithe...

His name was Green flakes and he was brought to Utah by his “owners”

he actually drove the carriage Brigham Young travelled in ...

So BY knew there were slaves in his theocracy...

After a few years his “massa” died so the widow gave him as her tithe to the mormon corporation...

BY didnt say no...

Later he escaped into California...


144 posted on 03/17/2010 7:51:12 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Hill


145 posted on 03/17/2010 7:51:27 PM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: Logophile; svcw

Proof. Let’s start with Archaeological proof of ANYTHING in the BoM (nope), how about 100% true prophecies (req’d in the Bible) from the LDS ‘prophets’ (nope), how about the gold plates (nope), how about the Book of Abraham matching the scrolls (nope), the bones of Zelph (nada).

Then you cite “moroni’s promise” and claim personal revelation. Let’s look at that closer, shall we? Moroni’s promise is self fulfilling. If you do not get the answer the Missionaries tell you there must be something wrong with YOU, not the BoM.

It assumes you will know it is ‘true’ if you have...

a sincere heart,
real intent,
having faith in Christ,
THEN he will manifest the truth of it unto you.

Christians accept the idea of personal revelation but we recognize that if a revelation DOES NOT AGREE with the Bible, then it is NOT OF GOD.

Praying the BoM is ‘true’ is NOT BIBLICAL. God doesn’t tell us to pray to determine if something is true, we are told to compare doctrines with Scripture (the Bible) to judge if it is true.

Our feelings can and do lead us astray and therefore is not a good marker if something is ‘true’ or not.


146 posted on 03/17/2010 7:59:26 PM PDT by reaganaut (Don't mind me, I did a little to much LDS in the 80's (Star Trek IV reference))
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To: T Minus Four

He married a girl who was born here of Palatine Germans who had arrived in July 1710...

She was a heroine also in her own right...

20 years after her hero husband had died foir his country, the American revolution arrived on her doorstep...

She was arrested and put into a rebal/Patriot prison in Albany along with her children and young grandchildren...

her trading post and lands were burnt and confiscated...

When the house burnt an invalid son was trapped inside and died...

a granddaughter died in the prison...

They were let out of prison because St Leger was coming..

they escaped north to canada with him...

She went on to be a heroine as a Loyalist...

She spoke the Mohawk languages and was sent back down by herself to the “castles” on the Mohawk River to convince them to help the British..

and she came down a second time to warn them to escape into Canada towards the end of the war as the white men would go back to killing them

She is credited with saving many lives..

another son was wounded that time at Stone Arabia

She is listed by the UELAC as a Loyalist...

I can get a certificate for her

I have FIVE Loyalist ancestors...

:)

United Empire Loyalist Association of Canada


147 posted on 03/17/2010 8:04:37 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Logophile; greyfoxx39; Colofornian; svcw

Do you agree with the author one should not pray to God to know whether the Book of Mormon is true?

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I do. To pray about a book that contradicts the Bible is not necessary and unscriptural.

The Bereans SEARCHED the Scriptures, not prayed about them and nowhere in the Bible are we told to.

Do you pray to know if robbing a bank is wrong?


148 posted on 03/17/2010 8:06:06 PM PDT by reaganaut (Don't mind me, I did a little to much LDS in the 80's (Star Trek IV reference))
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To: T Minus Four; magritte

IIRC, magritte is an ex-Christian who is now Noachide (’righteous gentile’).


149 posted on 03/17/2010 8:07:28 PM PDT by reaganaut (Don't mind me, I did a little to much LDS in the 80's (Star Trek IV reference))
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To: T Minus Four; Saundra Duffy

I’m sure they’ve all been posthumously baptised into the LDS church by now.
_____________________________________

I know most of mine have been...

against their will and 1st Amendment rights...

Whats one small bucket of water when the mormons dead dunk your whole body...

and after youre dead so you cant fight back and protect yourself...

at least Saundra’s friend lived to tell about it...


150 posted on 03/17/2010 8:09:33 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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